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#41 Jim B

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 03:38 AM

That's a good idea!

I was told theat Testors Model Masteres Automotove Laquer Metallic 1969 Ford Acapulco Blue was a good match for the blue that International used on the V-800.

Edited by Jim B, 01 August 2010 - 09:43 AM.


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Posted 10 March 2010 - 04:43 AM

Dave,

Reference the International 4300. Just looking at the length of the hood and the recess in the bulkhead. Was the truck capable of taking the 12V71 Detroit, KT450-KTA600 Cummins and the 3408 Cat? If I read your post right they would be painted red.

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Hi Dave,

Our plant in Emeryville, California was willing to build almost anything as Special Equipment, if the customer was willing to pay. I seem to remember the KT450-KTA600 Cummins and the 3408 Cat being built in the 4300 some volume. Not sure about the 12V. Generally the major problem with big power was getting in enough radiator to cool it. That sometimes meant raising the cab as was done with the 12V in the CO-4090. I would say if the model engine fits, go for it; somewhere, sometime, we probably made one or more.

Just to add more confusion to the engine question, our production line used red for non-IH big diesel engines through the early '70's. The Special Equipment "one-offs" may well have gotten engines in the manufacturers "standard" color, because of the cost for a few special engines.

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 11:02 AM

I noticed there was a question mark on the Detroit Series 60, these motors are also DD Alpine Green, at least all the ones I sat behind were! The Kenworth Aussie is not the only kit Revell AG did not do their homework on either! The "Can Do" wrecker is grossly inaccurate. The kit has a Cummins, the real truck has a Cat 3406, I think. The rest of the truck is based on their Pete 359, and there is many differences between that and the 379! I think I've also seen one engine in resin everyone's forgot, the M11 Cummins (even though why would you want one) and these were painted black. The IH/Ford engine one of you mentioned, were you talking about the larger engines or the pickup engine? The 7.3 Liter in the Ford F350 at least in 1990 (like my 1:1 dually) is gray.

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I promise, there is gray somewhere under all the grease and grime, the motor is 20 years old!

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 11:04 AM

By the way, here's what that greasy beast lives in:

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Posted 15 March 2010 - 10:21 AM

7000in5th pictures shows my truck with a blue engine now his box art has a blue engine mine has a red engine that has 903 on the valve cover?? oh man this is confusing to say the least but judging buy the color 7000in5th used for his engine it looks like a match to the blue i have witch is tamiya metallic blue.. :unsure:

here are pics of the real engine

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pics of mine with the blue i am going to use and my box art

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Edited by moparfan426, 15 March 2010 - 10:38 AM.


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Posted 15 March 2010 - 01:02 PM

The 903 is a Cummins and red would be correct in an International.

Tim

[quote name='moparfan426' date='15 March 2010 - 08:21 PM' timestamp='1268684498' post='280749']
7000in5th pictures shows my truck with a blue engine now his box art has a blue engine mine has a red engine that has 903 on the valve cover?? oh man this is confusing to say the least but judging buy the color 7000in5th used for his engine it looks like a m

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Posted 15 March 2010 - 01:28 PM

[quote name='mackinac359' date='15 March 2010 - 02:02 PM' timestamp='1268694148' post='280802']
The 903 is a Cummings and red would be correct in an International.

Tim

[quote name='moparfan426' date='15 March 2010 - 08:21 PM' timestamp='1268684498' post='280749']
7000in5th pictures shows my truck with a blue engine now his box art has a blue engine mine has a red engine that has 903 on the valve cover?? oh man this is confusing to say the least but judging buy the color 7000in5th used for his engine it looks like a m
[/quote]7000in5th said.....Yes, up through the '70's, in IH trucks, the big diesels were red except the International V-800. I matched the blue on the model above as closely as possible (I had a lot of them to look at). The V-903 might have been an exception, if so, I seem to remember that they might have been black (!?). If anyone still has an old original 4200 kit, it should list the correct color for the V-903.


Now i have the newer 4300 kit and the motor doesn't not look like a Cummings.

Edited by moparfan426, 15 March 2010 - 01:30 PM.


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Posted 15 March 2010 - 02:45 PM

I believe the engine in the repop International 4300 is an International V800. I think the Cummins V903 was in the International 4200 kit.

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Posted 15 March 2010 - 03:00 PM

ok well lol i ain't painting it till i know for sure lol

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Posted 31 July 2010 - 07:35 AM

ok well lol i ain't painting it till i know for sure lol


The way Jim described it is accurate. The 4270 kit has the V-903 Cummins engine. The 4300 kit has the V-800 engine. The only V903 I ever saw in person was black(or it might have been the very dark gray mentioned earlier. I would say black for the one I saw). It was sitting on a stand in school.

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Posted 31 July 2010 - 08:04 AM

For a little more confusion, Mack had some other engine colors, too. During the 1980's, there were red, and light blue engines as well.

From the 1980 F700 brochure:
http://public.fotki....ack20h_jpg.html

From the 1982 Mack Cruiseliner brochure. This engine appears to be a light blue.
http://public.fotki....iseliner12.html

Same with the 1987 Mack R brochure
http://public.fotki....ies_1987/6.html

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Posted 31 July 2010 - 05:13 PM

I copied the list that started this thread to another forum. A member there who is always a Very good source of info(he collects and scraps trucks) offered this little list.


AutoCar engines'.... White
Diamond Reo.......... Boyd Red is close match
GM Turbine is Red
AC Mack is................ Medium Grey
Detriot 16V/71.........Alpine Green Model Master Acryl RLM 25 is a close match
Mack Super Tip Turbine is Red
Chevy up to 1950 Medium Grey, late 1950 up to 1963 six cylinder engines Chevy/GMC corperate Blue, Chevy V 8's are chevy orange, GMC V6 and V8 Alpine Green for 6 and red for v8
Ford 331 Flathead truck engine... Dark Spruce Green. OHV 1954 to 1961 Red

Boyd Red.... ............. Testers #52709 Enamel only
Testers Acryl RLM 25 " #4774 Acrylic only
Ford/GM blue " #4661 Acrylic /#2726 Enamel
Chevy orange " #4629 Acrylic /#2731 Enamel
AC Mack Grey " #4757 Acrylic/#1725 Enamel



I'm not sure when Autocar painted their engines white, but i think it was b4 the 1970s. I'm still gathering info where I can.

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 07:39 AM

The same valuable source answered a few questions for me after he posted the above list.



AutoCar dropped the White color around 1968/69

The best match for the Mack Red is the Testers Boyd Red or the Testers little bottles of Dark Red.(this is in reference to the Super Tip Turbine. E6-300/315/350 engines that were red in the early 1980s. See the 1980 Mack F700 brochure I referenced earlier)


The Ford FE based engines were Black after late 1960 up to mid 1965 when the went to Ford Blue. After 1982 they went to Ford Corporate Grey.

Allis Chalmers Road engines are Plum Crazy Purple.

The later Macks went from Grey to Medium Grey/ Blue when the engines (6 or V8) were ordered intercoolered.

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 09:36 AM

The 903 in the 4200 kit should be red. IH red. It was originaly #50 red, back in the 40's, and its number was changed to 2150 red in the late 50's. It has been know as IH red, IHC red, CaseIH red. All are available in touch up aresols, or Buick, and Chrysler reds are very close matches. One is a little darker, one is a little oranger. The engines usually leaked so much, its hard to get an exact color match.

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 09:26 PM

I have a detail sheet from the GMC Astro. I can't remember where I got it from though. But it clearly shows the V903 in dark grey and the Cummins in beige.

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 08:44 AM

I updated the first post, let me know if I missed anything.

IH is missing some info, I remember seeing something about them painting gas engines one color and diesels another color, but don't recall when or what color (I know their current diesel engines DT-466, 530 etc are blue).

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 07:42 AM

It's my understanding all 903's were dark grey,basicly black.I have a magazine some where that has an ad for a mack V8 that is silver,its from around '71.I'm not sure if its the same engine thats in the DM800 kits or not.Also a mack cruiseliner engine could be painted cooper to make it a 300+
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Posted 31 December 2010 - 01:23 AM

Just thought I would bump this one back to the top.

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 06:15 PM

i saw a 1979 KW W900A with a 450 cat which i assume is a 3406 painted white or light grey really could not tell in the picture.are these correct colors ?

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 04:56 AM

Can you post the pic?