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Posted 29 December 2011 - 04:20 AM

Hey guys,

While we are on the subject of classic cars, does anyone remember the article in Fine Scale Modeler from the late '80's or early '90's about the Rolls Royce pickup truck that was based on a vehicle that was featured in a book he read..?

It was interesting to say the least...I think the Rolls "truck" was painted metallic blue, or something like that..


It would be a cool conversion, for sure :)

Cheers, Ian

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 04:29 AM

Hey guys,

While we are on the subject of classic cars, does anyone remember the article in Fine Scale Modeler from the late '80's or early '90's about the Rolls Royce pickup truck that was based on a vehicle that was featured in a book he read..?

It was interesting to say the least...I think the Rolls "truck" was painted metallic blue, or something like that..


It would be a cool conversion, for sure :)

Cheers, Ian


Well,

There was a Duesenberg owner in suburban Chicago, who at the outset of WW-II and gasoline rationing, transferred ownership of his 1930 Model J Berline (a semi-formal sedan body style) to a farm he owned in Illinois. He then paid a body shop to cut down the body into a luxurious truck cab, and had the thing fitted with a stake body--that gave him access to an A gas rationing sticker, meaning unlimited gasoline for agricultural use (the car has since been restored).

The late Lee Baker modeled that "Duesenberg Truck", which made any Cadillac Truck seem plebian by comparison!

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 04:51 AM

Hey guys,

While we are on the subject of classic cars, does anyone remember the article in Fine Scale Modeler from the late '80's or early '90's about the Rolls Royce pickup truck that was based on a vehicle that was featured in a book he read..?

It was interesting to say the least...I think the Rolls "truck" was painted metallic blue, or something like that..


It would be a cool conversion, for sure :)

Cheers, Ian


Apparently, Rolls had factory pickups that they used to deliver aircraft parts, including Merlin engines, during WWII. The Vintage Garage, a Rolls restoration company, used a Phantom III to replicate one.

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 05:19 AM

Here's a one-of-a-kind factory truck, #4AF4, a Phantom IV built in 1950 and scrapped in 1963.

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 05:28 AM

Those cars a absolutely magnificent.

Has any one saw the new Captain America movie?

I'm not sure of the make of the car the nazies have but it sure could run.

One of those kits could be used for a reproduction of that car.

But i do not know what model the car was in the movie.

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Here is the only pic i could find.


Most of the vehicles in Captain America were created specifically for the movie by ex-Bugatti designer Daniel Simon. They're not cars that existed before

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Posted 02 January 2012 - 07:16 AM

I haven't seen Capt America yet, but that Mercedes looking car is pretty sweet! Resin, anyone? :D

Skip, I like that RAF Phantom IV pickup. That would be a different build, for sure

I'd call it, as the British would say, Rolls Royce Phantom Mk. IV ^_^

Cheers, Ian

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Posted 02 January 2012 - 01:07 PM

If you can live with 1/35 Dragon / Cyber Hobby is supposed to be doing a plastic kit of Hitler's 6 wheel Mercedes armored limo.

http://www.militarym...icle.asp?a=8089



On the RR pickup, I remember seeing an Australian movie years ago about a brother and sister inheriting a mine from a wealthy relative, but not actually having the cash to operate it. They cut up the RR or Bently they also received to build a truck for the mine. (I don't remember why they didn't just sell it and buy a truck).

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 01:02 PM

it seemed that you guys have moved on to different things but here is some info on the original topic.

on the first page harry posted a link showing a metal master dusenberg

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this is a rare kit that came with a metal body the concept was that you polished the metal on the top on the body while painting the rest. a few of the 1:1 dusenbergs were done with polished aluminum ascents.

i built this a year ago after obtained the kit from a family member that had had it since new.

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the fit wasn't good but it was beautiful finished. i have since researched the metal masters line of kits and have learned that they were done in 2 series. first a dusenberg as pictured above, and a 16 cylinder
Cadillac these are almost imposable to find, at least i haven't been very successful

later another set was done, the set included a t-bird, a 52 vette, and a mg-tc

the t-bird and the vette are not very rare and average 40 bucks the mg- tc isn't rare ether but not as coman. i manged to find one at the last swap meet.

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showing on the back is the other in the set

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and here is the parts notice the metal body

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the kits were to hard for kids to build and were disconnected fast. to be honest i had a hard time building it too.

but monogram tried the same concept a while later but in a different form. keeping the metal masters name. they came out with a few dusenberg the kits were all plastic but every part was silver plated( not chrome they rely are silver its more dull then usual chrome) with gold chrome instead of normal chrome. These kits are quite conman on ebay. here is my example.

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and see everything is actuality chrome or gold.

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thanks for looking and i hope i didn't bore any one.

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 07:21 PM

Speaking of metal kits.Here is a Hubley Packard I just re-built! Posted Image

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 08:12 AM

I'm building an old Monogram "Mercedes Classic Coupe" from Monogram - it's a 540K. Has anybody ever built one of these, or the roadster version?

There's there are a couple of things that really have me stumped.

1) I can't figure out where to mount the fan/belt/pulley assembly. The instructions don't show it clearly. The one-piece fanbelt assembly has two holes on the back. One is behind the pulley, and it logically would fit over a pin on the front of the camshaft housing. But there's NO MATCHING PIN for the hole on the back of the fan. There's a 1/16" gap between the fan and the front cover. Makes no sense; it just hangs out there. How is the assembly supposed to be attached to the front of the motor?

2) There's a similar problem with the cam/intake manifold assembly. The two ends of the u-shaped manifold tube seem intended to fit into holes in the block, but there aren't any holes for it! How does that little assembly attach to the block? Seems unlikely they'd want the modeler to drill holes to mount a part.

I've got photos of the engines on real 540k's, but nothing seems to match.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:37 AM

I built one.No problems! Posted Image

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:57 AM

I built one.No problems! Posted Image


If it had a blue interior, this would be one that just sold last year for over $9 million at auction.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 05:43 PM

Yes it is special!

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 06:26 PM

Anyone have any tips for building these? The multi-piece body looks like it needs to be built around the interior, but this will create problems with filling seams and overall painting. Can the body be assembled first?

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 04:57 AM

Anyone have any tips for building these? The multi-piece body looks like it needs to be built around the interior, but this will create problems with filling seams and overall painting. Can the body be assembled first?


What particular kit do you want to know about? Most of the Monogram kits don't need to have seams filled because the pieces are cut where the real cars had them, and in certain areas were filled with a cord seal (such as where the fenders meet the body shell). You may find a few mold lines that just need a little sanding. Pretty simple: 1-piece fender/frame part; 1 main body shell part; hood may or may not have multiple pieces for folding open. Generally straightforward, with no worries about installing the interior.

One exception is the Monogram Mercedes 540K Coupe, which requires more work because the hardtop is a separate piece that mates to the main body and needs putty filler where they meet. If you're in search of total accuracy, both the 540K Cabriolet and Coupe have the wrong louvers on the hood, and front fenders are for a 540K Special Roadster, not for either of these cars. You can see what they should look like in Erik Olijnsma's build of the Testors-Italeri 540K Cabriolet C:

http://www.modelcars...showtopic=63839

Edited by sjordan2, 04 October 2012 - 05:12 AM.


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Posted 10 December 2012 - 05:17 PM

Question about Monogram's Deusenberg SJ Roadster/Convertible. Was this kit modeled after a real (1:1) car? From what I'm seeing about the kit, it supose to be Rolston bodied car. Is it? I can find nothing in any of my books, or on the web indicating that Rolston (or is it Rollston?) ever offered this body style. Plenity of info and photos of a Convertible Victoria they built. But nothing on a Convertible Roadster. So, is Monogram's model based on a real car or not? Or is like their '33 SJ Murphy bodied Town Car, which is really modeled after a 1930 Model J Murphy Town Car? But, they made it a '33 SJ because their other Duesenberg models were already '33 SJs, to save on tooling.

 

Real or not, I do like the looks of Monogram's 1933 Duesenberg SJ "Rolston" roadster. And still hope to some day to build one. But, still I wonder? Is it based on real 1:1 car or not?

 

That brings up questions about of the other Monogram Classic Cars. From reading the previous attached posts, it sounds like Monogram's Mercedes 540K Coupe my not be based on a real car. That they just took their 540K Convertible and added a top that made it look close to a real 1:1 car. Is this the case? And if so, what about the other Monogram Classics? Which are based on real cars? And which are not?

 

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:38 AM

Question about Monogram's Deusenberg SJ Roadster/Convertible. Was this kit modeled after a real (1:1) car? From what I'm seeing about the kit, it supose to be Rolston bodied car. Is it? I can find nothing in any of my books, or on the web indicating that Rolston (or is it Rollston?) ever offered this body style. Plenity of info and photos of a Convertible Victoria they built. But nothing on a Convertible Roadster. So, is Monogram's model based on a real car or not? Or is like their '33 SJ Murphy bodied Town Car, which is really modeled after a 1930 Model J Murphy Town Car? But, they made it a '33 SJ because their other Duesenberg models were already '33 SJs, to save on tooling.
 
Real or not, I do like the looks of Monogram's 1933 Duesenberg SJ "Rolston" roadster. And still hope to some day to build one. But, still I wonder? Is it based on real 1:1 car or not?
 
That brings up questions about of the other Monogram Classic Cars. From reading the previous attached posts, it sounds like Monogram's Mercedes 540K Coupe my not be based on a real car. That they just took their 540K Convertible and added a top that made it look close to a real 1:1 car. Is this the case? And if so, what about the other Monogram Classics? Which are based on real cars? And which are not?
 
R. Scott Aho

 
I can only comment on the 540K coupe, which sold for a few million last year. The monogram kit, like the Cabriolet, is loaded with errors/choices that aren't correct for any real car. But the Monogram can be slightly "accurized" using parts from the Testors/Italeri 540K. For a lengthy discussion and more images, go back to page 4, post 64.


More 1:1 shots here:

http://www.ultimatec...zial-Coupe.html

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 03:28 PM

I built the 56 T-Bird Back when new. I have little trouble with it.

(But then I could also do Revell's Full featured 55-57 Chevies that many claimed could not be built!)

I haev to restore it someday. I have a second of the Diecast body version too.

A friend has the plastic kit that is became.

I Do not recall this series being called "Metal MASTER though.

The Box art does Not state that. It Does state Diecast Metal and plastic, But not Metal Master.

Only the Plated plastic kit were called Metal Master on the box.

I have one of the Classic's. (I think the Duesnburg Pheaton I need to check)

and on of the HO scale Hudson Locomotives that Monogram sold the tooling to Heljan/Con Cor



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Posted 12 December 2012 - 04:27 PM

In the Car Modeler annual from 2001, I did a story called "The Veteran Motorcar" about antique and classic car kits, including Monogram's entire series. Here's a couple of unusual antiques that I like.

 

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This is a kit of the "1877" (though not really) Selden Patent Wagon. George Selden patented the concept of automobile in 1879, so that everyone who built an automobile had to pay him a royalty. Henry Ford broke the patent in 1911. In response to Ford's suit, Selden had to build a working example from the original patent blueprints. This is a 1/24 scale model of that vehicle.

 

It was produced by a Los Angeles company called Mod-Ac in 1946. So what you're looking at is one of the oldest 1/24 scale kits of one of the earliest automobiles.

 

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This is an 1886 Benz Patent Motorwagen (correct German spelling). This is one of the oldest "practical" automobiles, and it still exists. I've seen video of it running. Must be a great ride. This 1/24 scale model was a promotional produced by Minichamps for M-B's 100th anniversary.

 

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This is an 1886 Daimler Motor Carriage. It's another M-B/Minichamps promo in 1/24 scale.

 

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And this is an Airfix 1904 Darracq. First produced in about 1955, it went through various releases (including an MPC "hot rod" version). It's listed as 1/32 but is actually 1/24.5 or thereabouts.

 

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You can see here that it compares very well with an AMT 1925 Ford Model T.

 

Love them old cars....

 

Terry

 

 

 

 

 



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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:26 PM

We really need more models of brass-era and capital C classics available. Those things are just cool, and I can see them coming out as marvels in the hands of a very diverse group of builders from Geoff Brown and Tom Elliffret to Chuck Most and Dr. Cranky.

 

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