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#41 Eshaver

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:41 AM

What I don't understand is the fact that Ertil, a A M T company, then did do a Die - cast Olsmobile. They did the Studebaker too. I don't mind telling anyone , the studebaker came out looking great too. I regret not buying an Olsmobile though .........Ed Shaver

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:48 AM

What I don't understand is the fact that Ertil, a A M T company, then did do a Die - cast Olsmobile. They did the Studebaker too. I don't mind telling anyone , the studebaker came out looking great too. I regret not buying an Olsmobile though .........Ed Shaver


IIRC, ERTL did the diecast Olds a few years before the model kit was announced. The Studebaker was done by Johnny Lightning, don't remember an ERTL one.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 12:15 PM

The kit is slated for release here in the US THIS August. Do not confuse this Revell kit with the disappointment of 13yrs ago, when AMT/Ertl proposed the very same subject at RHCTA, only to see it fail due to a severe lack of preorders from wholesalers and retailers (that's why they never did do the kit--sorry all you conspiracy theoritsts!--but times obviously have changed!).

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 12:25 PM

Is the fact that the front and rear suspension are on very small (pretty much containing only one part) sprues a major clue that the second option will be something with a very different front and rear suspension?


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Posted 27 April 2012 - 10:22 PM

IIRC, ERTL did the diecast Olds a few years before the model kit was announced. The Studebaker was done by Johnny Lightning, don't remember an ERTL one.


To set the record straight here: Ertl did the 1/25 scale diecast of the 1949 Oldsmobile 88 Business Coupe in 1998, for the celebration of Nascar's 50th Anniversary. It is very well done, albeit having a coin slot in the decklid for use as a bank.

The 1951 Studebaker "Bulletnose" Commander Starlight coupe was done at Johnny Lightning in 2004, in response to a program set forth by that company's upper management. I happened to get the assignment to do this one--upstairs they strongly suggested a 1939-40 Champion, but given the budget for the project, no prewar Champion could be located in the short time-frame allotted, so I suggested the bulletnose, and it was accepted.

I've said this before, and I will say it again: At the 1999 RCHTA show at the Rosemont IL Convention Center, AMT/Ertl showed box art for these same two subjects. Those were, according to Tom Walsh--then head of product development for AMT/Ertl, last minute proposals to the hobby industry. Walsh told me straight up at that show that it did not look promising for either subject, as Walmart and the other "big box" retailers (who pretty much controlled what new model car kit subjects would see the light of day back then) had rejected them for their 2000 store "resets", and it was hoped that local hobby shop owners and hobby wholesalers would bite on them. They did not, at least not in numbers sufficient to warrant their development into plastic kits, so the idea died on the vine so-to-speak, at that time.

In short, is was NOT AMT/Ertl deciding on their own to "tease us" and then leave us hanging--model companies have seldom ever done that--it's not in their interest to do so, never has been, never will be. Such would be simply a waste of time and a waste of scarce capital. IF anyone wants to find someone to blame--well look no farther than Bentonville, Arkansas, the Detroit headquarters of KMart, or zero in on Minneapolis, where Target has their home offices--it was the buyers for companies such as those who nixed the idea--pure and simple.

There was a book written some years ago titled "Wamart: The High Cost of Low Price" which purports to detail just how that retailing juggernaut has dragged manufacturer after manufacturer into the dirt just so they could get the product(s) they want at the price they want. Walmart and their colleagues have been the driving force behind the off-shoring of countless consumer products by being able to clamp a lid on prices, regardless of the effect on American companies, and the American workers who made those products. Think about that the next time you walk through the doors of stores like that: By buying the stuff they sell at the prices they sell them at--are YOU really helping your neighbor, the guy down the street, a worker in a factory in the next town? Maybe yes, likely no.

But back to the Olds and the Studebaker: If you guys must blame somebody for the fact that those didn't see the light of day back in 2000, blame the real culprits: The people with their MBA's on their cubicle walls, arrogant as all get out that THEY know the answers. It was people like that who made the decisions that forced AMT/Ertl to make the decisions they had little choice but to make.

Now, I am gonna get off this soapbox--there's too many model car kits in this apartment that beg my attention!

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designer and developer of the Johnny Lightning '51 Studebaker Commander Starlight in 1/24 scale diecast.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 07:46 AM

Yes Art. Niche companies (yes, hobby manufacturers are niche companies) tend to be run by true believers. Not always, but most are. It's too bad that they fell into the "We are Wally World and you will like it" retailing mentality. Thank God our local (Milwaukee) LHSs are doing well.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:31 AM

I've said this before, and I will say it again: At the 1999 RCHTA show at the Rosemont IL Convention Center, AMT/Ertl showed box art for these same two subjects. Those were, according to Tom Walsh--then head of product development for AMT/Ertl, last minute proposals to the hobby industry. Walsh told me straight up at that show that it did not look promising for either subject, as Walmart and the other "big box" retailers (who pretty much controlled what new model car kit subjects would see the light of day back then) had rejected them for their 2000 store "resets", and it was hoped that local hobby shop owners and hobby wholesalers would bite on them. They did not, at least not in numbers sufficient to warrant their development into plastic kits, so the idea died on the vine so-to-speak, at that time.

In short, is was NOT AMT/Ertl deciding on their own to "tease us" and then leave us hanging--model companies have seldom ever done that--it's not in their interest to do so, never has been, never will be. Such would be simply a waste of time and a waste of scarce capital. IF anyone wants to find someone to blame--well look no farther than Bentonville, Arkansas, the Detroit headquarters of KMart, or zero in on Minneapolis, where Target has their home offices--it was the buyers for companies such as those who nixed the idea--pure and simple.

Art Anderson
designer and developer of the Johnny Lightning '51 Studebaker Commander Starlight in 1/24 scale diecast.


But if AMT/Ertl already knew that the mass-market retailers weren't going to sell the kits, wouldn't showing mock-ups of the box art at a hobby show announcing upcoming products in fact be a case of the company teasing us and then not following through???

Wouldn't it have made more sense to pitch the idea to both the mass marketers and wholesalers (and have a pretty solid idea as to whether or not the kits were actually going to be produced) before announcing to the public products that would never be?

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 09:09 AM

This model car kit is being tooled up and that model car is going to be released, and another version will be out in the fall, and this company will be re-issueing that kit, and another re-issue will be available in the spring, etc., etc,. etc.. All this talk about kits coming out in the future and lately I don't concern myself with any of it and only if they are ON THE SHELVES as that is the bottom line. Many model builders just CAN'T wait for another new release as if they are now working on their last model car kit instead of having HUNDREDS of unbuilt kits in their stash. These same modelers will NEVER finish all they have stockpiled already and they are always buying more. Sounds like a disease. Don't tell me I have it too???

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 09:25 AM

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 04:09 PM

This model car kit is being tooled up and that model car is going to be released, and another version will be out in the fall, and this company will be re-issueing that kit, and another re-issue will be available in the spring, etc., etc,. etc.. All this talk about kits coming out in the future and lately I don't concern myself with any of it and only if they are ON THE SHELVES as that is the bottom line. Many model builders just CAN'T wait for another new release as if they are now working on their last model car kit instead of having HUNDREDS of unbuilt kits in their stash. These same modelers will NEVER finish all they have stockpiled already and they are always buying more. Sounds like a disease. Don't tell me I have it too???



The antidote is going to be on shelves soon!!!
Hope it is not too late to save ME! LOL

Edited by camaroman, 28 April 2012 - 04:09 PM.


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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:48 AM

I've said this before, and I will say it again: At the 1999 RCHTA show at the Rosemont IL Convention Center, AMT/Ertl showed box art for these same two subjects. Those were, according to Tom Walsh--then head of product development for AMT/Ertl, last minute proposals to the hobby industry. Walsh told me straight up at that show that it did not look promising for either subject, as Walmart and the other "big box" retailers (who pretty much controlled what new model car kit subjects would see the light of day back then) had rejected them for their 2000 store "resets", and it was hoped that local hobby shop owners and hobby wholesalers would bite on them. They did not, at least not in numbers sufficient to warrant their development into plastic kits, so the idea died on the vine so-to-speak, at that time.

That's the delay I was referring to. I knew I remembered this being announced once before, but not 12 years ago!


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Posted 02 May 2012 - 10:19 AM

From what I have heard, Revell was actually working on this kit before the Hobbico takeover, and shelved it for a few years. It was not until they caught wind of Moebius' plans to produce the Hudson and Chrysler that they took it out of mothballs.

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 09:25 AM

Why dont they just include an extra engine and be done with it! That way we will have our hot rod motors and still be able to finish the kit build.Or maybe someone can resin cast some up.

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 01:58 PM

Why dont they just include an extra engine and be done with it! That way we will have our hot rod motors and still be able to finish the kit build.Or maybe someone can resin cast some up.


Ken Kitchen at Kitchen Tables Resins has done a very nice one: http://public.fotki....bile-j2-engine/


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"This engine was built by Daniel Robinson using some parts not included in the kit.
The headers came from Revell Special Edition 69 Nova kit as well as the air cleaners.
Daniel says the carbs came from his parts box but he believes they originally came
from the Monogram 65 GTO kit."

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 01:49 PM

Art's comment on the big box stores is right on. In the 80's I sold and serviced construction equipment, a lot of which was tile saws. Home Despot moved in right across the street ( true story ) and began selling Tile Saws, from the same manufacturer as mine. When my sales fell flat, and a boatload of customers complained, I learned that my saws were being sold across the street for less than I paid for them. I was on a first name basis with the manufacturer, so I called and said " Bob D., what the ****?" His response was that he could sell me 20 or 30 saws in a year, or he could sell Home Despot 20 or 30 saws a month. So it came down to basic economics. Ugh!

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Posted 29 May 2012 - 09:06 AM

Maybe with Moebius driving a little chaos into the mix, some of the other companies will start to push their products again.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 08:52 AM

checked with my lhs today, he says the 50 Olds is ready for Sept, 2012, & is a 2 in 1 kit...we shall see....

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 05:52 PM

checked with my lhs today, he says the 50 Olds is ready for Sept, 2012, & is a 2 in 1 kit...we shall see....



I talked to a Revell rep just this past Saturday as they had a display at the Milwaukee NNL 20 and the Olds was displayed on a board showing all the parts and also the '62 Corvette and the '57 Ford the same way. He said to look for these kits in Sept., Oct., & Nov..


Tower Hobbies' release dates:

'50 Olds Coupe 2'n 1 - late September
'62 'Vette Raodster 2'n 1 - late August
'57 Ford Custom 2'n 1 - December 2012

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:21 PM

Tower Hobbies' release dates:

'50 Olds Coupe 2'n 1 - late September
'62 'Vette Raodster 2'n 1 - late August
'57 Ford Custom 2'n 1 - December 2012


I know the connection and all(ownership wise), but who deemed Tower Hobbies as the be all and end all of release dates? Tower has over the course of the first 6 months of this year been wildly wrong about release dates numerous times, randomly swinging the dates around with little rhyme or reason.

Example right now Moebius said this week their Great Dane trailer is coming out in Late July, Tower has it as June. Moebius '52 Hudson Convertible...has been in your LHS for the past week, I know I just bought one, according to T.H. they don't even have it in stock yet. The Tamiya Toyota 86 kit says "Order Pending", my copy I pre-ordered on HLJ was ready for shipment YESTERDAY!

It's nothing against anyone here, the over-trusting of T.H. is rampant across several message boards I frequent. I guess I can appreciate the ballpark guesstimate nature, but they shouldn't attach a date to something when they clearly don't actually have a concrete date in the first place, and can't update their stock correctly when things do become available.

Edited by niteowl7710, 31 May 2012 - 08:22 PM.


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Posted 01 June 2012 - 03:12 AM

I know the connection and all(ownership wise), but who deemed Tower Hobbies as the be all and end all of release dates? Tower has over the course of the first 6 months of this year been wildly wrong about release dates numerous times, randomly swinging the dates around with little rhyme or reason.

Example right now Moebius said this week their Great Dane trailer is coming out in Late July, Tower has it as June. Moebius '52 Hudson Convertible...has been in your LHS for the past week, I know I just bought one, according to T.H. they don't even have it in stock yet. The Tamiya Toyota 86 kit says "Order Pending", my copy I pre-ordered on HLJ was ready for shipment YESTERDAY!

It's nothing against anyone here, the over-trusting of T.H. is rampant across several message boards I frequent. I guess I can appreciate the ballpark guesstimate nature, but they shouldn't attach a date to something when they clearly don't actually have a concrete date in the first place, and can't update their stock correctly when things do become available.


James, you bring up a good point and the lesson is that until it is on the shelves at your LHS or shown being available from your online source, we just have to wait. Many of us have waited this long, what is a few more weeks or a couple of months. My frustration comes from endless delays only to have something cancelled when the manufacturer probably knew all along that the kit wasn't coming!