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#21 Tom Geiger

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:51 AM

I like this project a whole lot.  The building would also make a decent old time garage with some Model Ts hanging around.

 

I agree with the dimensions etc posted here.  I'd start with a scale sketch of the front, based on the size assumptions posted. It would be helpful to have a 1/25 scale ruler so you don't have to convert dimensions.  Once you have established a proportion scale from the doors, it will help you determine the rise of the roof (the front peak) and the size of the upstairs windows. From the two photos it appears that all the windows (except for the side basement one) are the same size. So once you know that size, you can plot out the length of the side from that window placement.  Also, note that in the front photo you can see straight through the second floor and there is a window on the back. So I'd assume the same window pattern on the other side, and the upstairs of the back. There would be no back or side door from the first floor due to the slope.  But somewhere there would be an entry to the basement. 

 

If I still had access to AutoCad, I'd do a quick sketch in scale for you, just out of my own curiosity. Good luck with this project, we'll all be watching!



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Posted 29 January 2013 - 08:10 AM

In that era, the "basement" would probably have a rear staircase entry from outside, with hinged wood cover. 

 

I agree it appears that both side walls will be the same, with same window placement, and the front and rear walls of the upper story will be the same, with same window placement.  Houses and buildings tended to be very symmetrical in that era.

 

Great project!



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Posted 29 January 2013 - 08:17 AM

One other thought, regarding scaling the building:

 

In those days, construction materials were more regional or "local" than today, usually coming from a small, local manufacturer.  Even if the building you're modeling no longer exists, you would likely find other old buildings from the same era in the area.  If you still have those contacts back home, ask somebody to look around for some of those concrete blocks and get measurements.  Then, you can accurately scale the entire building. 

 

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:53 PM

I still say the entry door is round 6'6" based on the height of the doorknob. If the door is 9', the knob would be appr. 4' from the ground.

 

Still loving this project. It has alot of potential.


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:42 PM

For some ideas about creating patterns, I've found this fellow in England who has some tutorials on-line. I haven't tried any yet but - as he's a teacher - his explanations are easy-to-follow.

 

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Hey Ken,

Thanks!  David Neat has some great tutorials!  I spent over an hour trying to locate someone here in the US that carries the Kapa Line board.  It has a polyurethane  as opposed to most of the other foam board that is polystyrene.  I highly reccommend a peek at his tutorials!  I even emailed the manufacturer - 3A Composites to see if they could connect me with a supplier.  Still waiting for a reply...



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Posted 31 January 2013 - 01:33 PM

 

I still say the entry door is round 6'6" based on the height of the doorknob. If the door is 9', the knob would be appr. 4' from the ground.
 


I wonder if we'll ever know for sure... but it makes for an interesting discussion!

Tony
 

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 05:35 PM

Okay Guys,

Finally getting started on this project! Decided on O gauge(1/48).  Purchased some of the window/door components online - have to wait for those to arrive.  Bought both Magic Brik and JTT dressed stone patterned plastic sheet for the stonework.  Still have to mock up the walls with cardboard, which won't happen til the weekend with work.  Any suggestions on what to use for the permanent walls?  I don't have access to a table saw at the moment.  The Magic Brik involves a water based brick motar compound.  Warping is a concern...  Any ideas would be appreciated!  Thanks.

 

 

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 07:50 PM

How about 1/8 in Masonite. Just seal it witha good coat of paint, and then apply your Magic Brik.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 03:22 AM

Good to see this one finally started..... was wondering what happened to it. Hope you can find accessories in 1/48 scale that will suit. (1/43 may also work as I believe there may be more vehicles, including period fire trucks in that scale. But not so easy to scale out unless you get a scale ruler for 1/43). If you're not going to add vehicles, then 1/48 is probably the way to go.

As 1/48 is 1/4" to a real 1'-0", it's any easy scale to work with and there may be many accessories in the model railroad stores that will work for you.

Looking forward to watching progress.

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 04:29 AM

I darkened the dark colors to make it easier to count the block. I would say these are standard 16x8 molded face block. The man door is 11 block high (11 x 8.5 = 93") the door knob 5 block (5 x 8.5 = 42.5in). That would be a standard commercial door around that time, 7'9" door, probable 32" wide.

The Garage door looks to be 8' x 8'

Did you find out what fire truck they used?


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Anyone know why the Fotki "Code for forums" is not working?

Edited by AzTom, 22 June 2013 - 04:37 AM.


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Posted 22 June 2013 - 10:32 PM

awsome , i actually strated to try and take of the paper of gipsen plates a while ago but i found it hard to really get all the paper off ansd trew it to the side ..
seeing this i def. will try this for my next diorama .. it looks stunningly real

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:26 AM

 

I darkened the dark colors to make it easier to count the block. I would say these are standard 16x8 molded face block. The man door is 11 block high (11 x 8.5 = 93") the door knob 5 block (5 x 8.5 = 42.5in). That would be a standard commercial door around that time, 7'9" door, probable 32" wide.

The Garage door looks to be 8' x 8'

Did you find out what fire truck they used?


http://images46.fotk...reHouse2-vi.jpg


I think you finally nailed down those heights Tom. Darkening up the photo sure clarified that. (Why didn't I think of that?) Definitely a tip to remember for next time......

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 08:23 PM

UPDATE!!! 

Hi Guys,

While the forum was down, I finally began to make some drawings and get this party started!  As the forum was not accessible, I did not have the discussion of measurements to refer to.  Sooooo, I kind of guesstimated using the Grandt Line 1/48 scale 5 panel door as a base.  I looked around and could only find one local shop that had any O scale  Grandt Line items in stock.  I picked up a bag of small windows just for grins, but they were "double hung" with the sash raised open about three inches.  It looked too small, and I couldn't figure out how to get the long window into the frame.  There were no directions with the windows, so I just ended up ordering directly from Grandt Line.  After the order came I realized that both the depot AND factory style windows that I ordered were too big.  So, what's a guy to do - cut the down!  Another BIG mistake... :wub:   The structure of O scale window frames is very fine.  I ruined about 8 before deciding on a different approach.  I looked over the original windows that I had purchased on the other side of town.  I realized with " a little modification", they would work just fine. 

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 08:25 PM

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For the exterior, I chose to go with Gator board.  I went to a local art supply store, and was disappointed to find that they had no smaller sheets in stock...  I explained what I needed the Gaotor board for.  A helpful staff member replied that her Dad was a firefighter, and that she would check in their framing dept. to see if they had any scraps.  SCORE!  She came out with a piece that must have been 16"x 48"!  And, no charge!  That's what I call service!  I had done a lot of reading on cutting Gator board - most recommended against hand cutting it.  As I don't currently have access to any machinery, I went at it with gusto!  I was pleased to find that a sharp utility knife, spare blades and a drywall T-square made quick work of it.  Caution is needed, as the outer skins are made of a melamine type fiber, while the inside foam is much softer.  Once door and window shapes were cut out, the actual door and windows were test rit.  rough openings were fine tuned. 

 

I had purchased some thin wood siding from the miniature shop that I got the Grandt Line pieces from.  I carefully cut and fit them to the roofline and windows.  After doing so, I just wasn't happy with the look, as the clapboards were too large and out of scale.  I again searched local sources for proper scale siding.  I was frustrated to find that Evergreen's largest clapboard siding was still too small...  I ended up ordering some Plastruct patterned clapboard on-line.  That should arrive next week.

 

The masonry blocks will be replicated with a product called Magic Brik.  It features a cut adhesive backed vinyl mask over which you apply a course masonry textured paste.  You remove the mask before the paste fully sets up.  This leaves a 3D "brick or block" appearance.  I am experimenting with different techniques to more closely replicate the block on the original structure.  One such experiment involved using artist’s acrylic gesso medium to vary the texture of the blocks.  As the blocks are larger than standard bricks, I chose to use their 1/24 scale brick pattern.

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Sadly, the fire company's 100th Anniversary celebration was last night. :(   Due to circumstances beyond my control, I was unable to attend. Obviously, the diorama is not finished yet...  But, I will endeavor to do the build justice.  I have been watching many videos on diorama making, ground cover, pink/blue insulation foam, tall grass, and tree making.  As can be seen in the two photos at the beginning of this thread, it is all there...   If you made it through my rambling – Thank you.  Stay tuned -  Film at 11:00…  Thanks for looking!

 

 

David



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 02:19 AM

Great start.....!

Tony

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 03:02 AM

FINE job young man, keep up the good work !



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 04:51 AM

For most of us, the forum being down was a bad thing but in your case you made some outstanding progress. This is really progressing nicely and I'm thrilled to see you're striving for accuracy and not cutting corners. As for cutting the gator board, I've found that making three passes with a new #11 X-acto blade along a straight edge works best for me; one for the top outer layer, one for the inner foam and the last one for the backside outer layer.

 

Glad you're back at this and I'll be watching closely.



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 03:29 PM

Please forgive me as I know you're just test fitting, but isn't that paned window upside down? While you probably are just test fitting, If it somehow found it's way into the finished build, and I had said nothing, I would be angry with myself. As many posts are misinterpreted, I am taking pains to make my motive for pointing this out very clear. It's a great looking build so far!



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 04:28 PM

Please forgive me as I know you're just test fitting, but isn't that paned window upside down? While you probably are just test fitting, If it somehow found it's way into the finished build, and I had said nothing, I would be angry with myself. As many posts are misinterpreted, I am taking pains to make my motive for pointing this out very clear. It's a great looking build so far!

No Tom,

You are correct!  With the site back up, I was anxious to get some "In Progress" photos taken.  This meant re-arranging a few areas so that I could set up my "photo area"...  Thanks for your attention to detail.  That's what makes your builds so great! :D

 

Guys,

Thank you for your comments as well!  I am trying to balance searching for a job, shopping, cooking, and taxiing my boys around, with finding time to build.  Can't wait for the clapboard siding to arrive, so that I came mock it up and proceed with the Magic Brik block work.



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Posted 17 July 2013 - 04:33 AM

The clapboard siding arrived yesterday! Three of the four sides are cut and glued in place. Hope to have time to place the final piece today. Sprayed a test scrap of the siding with Krylon Hunter Green. As the photos are black and white, and no one is still alive who can tell us what the original color was, I will take some "artistic license... I also sprayed the test brick/block pattern above with some light colored Rustoleum texture paint. I am pleased with the results. Sorry no pictures yet. Will post some ASAP. Thanks.


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