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#21 Brian_B

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 07:27 PM

Back in the 50s (that resin cab is later)..there was a factory hood scoop and hood bird (hood ornament) optional on these old trucks. A friend of mine has a 56 that he and his dad searched the U.S. and Canada for every option available to put on it. AM radio\speaker, the better heater, the foot pump windshield washers,the big back window cab (only an option in 56), etc.

Mine only has two options..a heater with defrost (not the fancy one) and the spare tire mounted on the rear fender. That was only an option in 56 (not earlier).

Most of these things are repops now and added to any year..but several were not available until 56.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 07:55 AM

Well, got over to where the trucks are- there was quite a lot more stuff jammed around them in the barn than there was last time! I did manage to squeeze in between them and get a measurement of the bottom of the wheel opening, 39", and height of 22".

Armed with this, I dug out an AMT '53 Trophy Series cab, and tried those measurements out on the fender. Turns out, if you cut away the raised 'lip' already around the wheel opening, that will enlarge the opening enough to match up pretty well with the F-600's measurements. Then you'd just need to add a new raised lip around the newly-enlarged opening. I'll try and get some pictures up later on- because now I'm thinking of giving it a go on a spare '53 to see how close it really looks.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 08:15 AM

Thank you, that is great. I'm glad you got the height measurement too to, they looked a little taller but I couldn't tell how much.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 09:15 AM

Keep in mind that vertical measurement might not be 100% exact- I got it as close as I could with just a tape measure, measuring from the bottom rear of the fender up to the top of the fender opening. I think it would be close enough to look right.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 08:56 PM

Here's the '54 F-600, and as you could see space is pretty tight...
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And here's a visual for the idea I had.
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Like I said- cut away the existing lip marked in pencil and add a new one to the enlarged opening and it should look pretty close... but I think I'm gonna try it out and then go back and compare it to the 1:1 and see how it looks before I reccomend my method! B)

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 01:04 AM

That should be right, the difference isn't much, it's barely noticeable unless a person knows what they are looking at.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 06:13 AM

Brian, go for the Big Job and build this one !!!!!

http://www.zibe.com/...145-783930.html


Awesome! Put that cab on a lentghtened Chevy Titan frame!

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 03:48 PM

Here's the '54 F-600, and as you could see space is pretty tight...


And here's a visual for the idea I had.
Like I said- cut away the existing lip marked in pencil and add a new one to the enlarged opening and it should look pretty close... but I think I'm gonna try it out and then go back and compare it to the 1:1 and see how it looks before I reccomend my method! B)


Chuck, please do follow up on this. I have several 50, 53 and 56 Ford truck kits that could benefit from this. Lots of ideas brewing. :)

Edited by Aaronw, 17 September 2012 - 03:49 PM.


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Posted 17 September 2012 - 07:59 PM

Another thing I'm wondering... could it be possible that the heaver-duty trucks also had a slightly taller fender than an F-100? I ask this because it seems that the heavier trucks sat just a little bit higher off the frame. I don't have a half-ton '53-56 Effie to compare against the F-600s. I'm not sure- I seem to remember reading that some shady swap-meet vendors would try to pass off the heavier-duty truck fenders as F-100 units, and they would physically fit the F-100s.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 08:08 PM

Chuck, please do follow up on this. I have several 50, 53 and 56 Ford truck kits that could benefit from this. Lots of ideas brewing. :)

Count on that. A '53 F-600 model project has been brewing in the back of my mind for quite some time. I'm working getting a 1:1 '45 Ford 1-1/2 ton truck, if I get really ambitious I might even try doing that in 1:25.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 01:00 AM

The fenders physically interchange but I don't know if the 500/600 unit is longer or not. The silver F500 I posted had it's fenders replaced with F100 pieces and was put on a pickup frame.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:57 AM

No one in our club has big job for me to make comparisons to the fenders. You might look on ford truck enthusiasts (forum). Some of those guys have the big fire trucks and cab overs in the 48-56 area.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 02:27 AM

There was a guy that was casting "The big job ford' by the time I could order he stop. Now my Pc went out and lost his addy.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 04:49 AM

There is a guy selling late fifties Big Jobs on ebay, want.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 05:37 AM

If I remember right, the only height difference in the fenders is from the rear bottom part, lengthened a bit to match up with the running boards which are mounted a little lower in comparison to the cab (the apron between the cab and running board being taller).

Chuck, does that truck wear the 19.5 inch wheels?

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 06:07 AM

I see what you mean, the front of the fender is the same but the back is longer to meet the lower running boards. Here is a stock F100, there is about two or three inches between the bottom of the door and the running board.
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But on the F500/F600 the running boards are almost six or seven inches from the bottom of the door.
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 10:27 AM

Brian,

I knew I had a link saved from some time ago just took me a little while to find it !! Good example of the kit being made into an F800 Big Job, fenders lengthened for running
boards and wheel openings hogged out:

http://www.ford-truc...lmost-done.html

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:32 PM

Yepper, there ya go.

Another point worth mentioning about the running boards is their termination; they end a tad after the door rather than at the back of the cab. A lot of folks seem to just lop them off at the back of the cab and neglect to round off the outer corner, etc. The little extra attention it takes to get this part right makes a big difference in capturing the look...kind of a make it/break it point.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 03:36 PM

That's what I was talking about!
Not sure if the wheels are 19.5- I'll have to check next time I'm out there and make sure. I'd imagine they're at least close to that.

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 02:23 AM

Great project and really nice to see all the community involvement. I've loved these trucks for years and have wanted to do something similar but didn't have access to any 1:1s. Thanks to everyone who's contributed to Brian's thread.