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#1 jbwelda

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 07:47 PM

i have been on a kick lately about trying to capture what i think i might have built in the way of a street rod if i were a teenager in England, countryside probably, and had mostly english mechanicals to work with but with a bit of a wannabe yank streak from reading the hot rod magazines of the day, the day being sometime in post-Beatle times, 65 or 66 or so.

 

i had one other attempt at this sort of theme lately, with a rebadged Austin Seven (http://www.modelcars...c=45137&hl=dixi), but that one sort of got too too yank especially when i used the american style wheels and the moon tank hanging out front, it looked sorta like a miniature deuce roadster but too much so for what i was thinking.

 

at one time i built a 1/32 slot car from a MGTD body i picked up somewhere, removed the front fender which were separate pieces, lowered it down and thought it looked pretty kool:

 

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so i was looking through my kit collection such as it is and came across this old monogram chestnut kit of the MGTC that i had, and not only that i also had a metal version of the same kit. worthless trash in the metal version but i put it aside in case i thought there might be some pieces in there that would look better in metal than plastic. heres a pic of the box of the plastic version, note the box art sure to turn off anyone with any real enthusiasm but hiding a very nicely detailed kit complete with a sweet little 1200 four banger (edit: might have only been 900 or so cc now that i think about it) and SU carb setup along with an exquisitely detailed dashboard among other features:

 

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and nearby i noticed an old standby, the Tamiya Lotus Seven so loved in many corners of this forum, including yours truly. tons of kool details for these kind of projects so onto the pile it went.

 

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ideas started running through my head and pretty after some parts box scrounging for some appropriate wheels (really the heart of something like this, i considered Jaguar D-type wheels before going with the pure Lotus theme) front and rear i sat down and started mocking stuff up.

 

more to follow...

 

 


Edited by jbwelda, 02 February 2013 - 08:56 PM.


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Posted 02 February 2013 - 08:10 PM

my original concept was including the Lotus Coventry Climax motor with two weber carbs and turned aluminum air cleaners, cutting off the wings (fenders to the yanks) in front and the running boards, lowering down the front end with a tube or beam axle ala hot rod style, probably try to fab up some kind of mounts for a halibrand quick change rear end (my all time favorite), with some wheels that fairly screamed British. i started making up a Z-ed kickup for the back of the frame but then i noticed that the Lotus rear suspension arms looked like they might fit. they didnt just fit, they worked perfectly with the rear axle centering right where it should and even the bracket out the back that on the Lotus holds the spare tire will serve well to support the rear mounted fuel tank that the MG uses.

 

Now understand that i owned an MGTF for a few decades and i always liked the looks of that car. i did not especially like the looks of the predecessor MGTD or the car it derived its dorkiness from, the MGTC...that being the very car i was using as a base here. but shed the big ole wheels and skinny tires and ditch the external front fenders and you start to have something...though to my eye it sits up too straight whereas the beauty of the swan song of the T series, the TF, sloped rearward in the grille, headlamp profile and cowl area making it look like it was going 100 mph when it was standing still, which in my case it often was. total chick magnet but i digress. so what i am getting at is thinking i want this car to look a whole lot more like a Super Seven (one of the all time great cars in my opinion) than like a MGTC.

 

so all this is pretty much in the back of my mind as i start figuring out what to do next. but from what i can see so far, it looks like things are going to fall into place pretty easy.

 

a picture speaks a thousand words or something like that:

 

here is basically what i have in mind:

 

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without the front fenders, the car takes on a whole new look. and i am kicking the front axle forward about a scale 6", which really does something visually to the staid TC look. Norm at Reps and Mins was nice enough to cast me up two cycle front fenders from his killer Triumph Bonneville (motorcycle) that i am going to hopefully use. they look even more kool since they are 1/25 and this MG is 1/24 so they barely cover the very small front tires and hug the circumference of the tire great...if i can just get them to mount that way.

 

 

 

here you can see a bunch of parts in the early stages included the freshly trimmed off wings:

 

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heres a shot to give you an idea how it was to begin with: long frame running all the way to rear of car and providing support for fuel tank:

 

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and how about that! Lotus Seven active rear end bars fit right in there and look totally realistic! now this thing with go around corners!

 

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and to jump ahead a little bit, heres what that mess will look like a little further along:

 

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more to come...


Edited by jbwelda, 02 February 2013 - 09:05 PM.


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Posted 02 February 2013 - 08:10 PM

This should be interesting, I like the idea



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Posted 02 February 2013 - 08:30 PM

with the rear suspension under control so to speak, i started thinking about the front suspension and some of the other details...now i wanted the front end down in the weeds if possible and there wasnt much on the stock suspension i wanted to keep although i was going to keep the molded-to-the-frame friction shocks. i started looking in the parts box and i came across a partial revell parts pack of roadster speed equipment and there was a nice chrome beam axle with kool azz chrome brake backing plates so i set that aside. it fit in perfectly and looked to provide the proper drop. but then a few days later i happened to run across another white plastic front axle of the proper size with molded on shocks and a nice mounting bracket. it fit nicely too after some trimming and drilling and stuff so i transferred the backing plates to it. the problem with it was it was detailed on the front side but not on the back...that is to say for example the front of the shocks were round but they were just flat on the back side. i fabbed up some messy looking stuff for the back of the shocks which i will be sure to come to regret but hey i was lazy! they look a little better now and i dont really  want to make this car my career!  :D

 

 

heres an early shot of the unpainted axle posed on a mount on the frame:

 

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and a later shot of the axle near finished hanging from the front of the frame, though i have now added further lowering blocks of about another 2" to the frame:

 

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more prep: fitting the motor to the frame:

 

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random pieces:

 

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the interior is nearly finished:

 

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and just this past week in got some paint on the body, a couple of problems but overall a good start:

 

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problem area: paint crackled on rear fender! :angry:  but shouldnt be too bad to polish out or at most do a spray touch up.

 

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oh yeah, that metal version of this kit? looked through it and pulled out the fuel tank. looks very crude out of the box but after a couple of hours polishing time (not really, probably 30 min max) it starts to look pretty serviceable.

 

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 08:40 PM

What shade of green did you use?, it looks like British racing green


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Posted 02 February 2013 - 08:44 PM

Of course, William...

 

That TC would be cool with the V860 from a Revell Kurtis midget up front!  Oh yeah, and it would likely have become a "flying potato chip" of a car in the bargain.

 

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 08:50 PM

as i mentioned above i plan on trimming the radiator shell a bit, slanting down the hood line and also lean the radiator shell back a little to give it a more flowing look.

 

anticipating that the motor with air cleaners would not fit under the hood, i trimmed the side pieces off and left just the hood (bonnet) top in place. however i set aside the side panels which have really nicely molded louvers and a kool little speed tumor on one side and i have been attempting to worry out the back of the louvers to open them up. this is highly time intensive so i have only gotten one side started but its gradually come around to where i am breaking through to the outside i have eaten down the panel to where its almost scale thickness. it remains to be seen whether i will actually use these parts and if i do tilt the front end back they will have to be modified even more but for right now its a little side project.

 

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its amazing what one can get done after a couple months off!



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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:15 PM

thats an excellent suggestion with the flathead from the midget kits!

 

i havent glued down the lotus motor yet!



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Posted 02 February 2013 - 10:56 PM

awsome !! def. following this one !!
and if i ever see a kit like this i will buy it imidiatly , the fenderless front gave me such cool idea's !!!!!!

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:13 AM

That is coming along nicely!

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 04:08 AM

Beautiful lines with the fenders removed.  The idea of an MG TC hot rod is really cool too. Where did those wheels come from?



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Posted 03 February 2013 - 05:17 AM

I like it!  :)  Looks like someone converted an MG into a track racer.  Bicycle style fenders on the front would look wicked on this. 



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Posted 03 February 2013 - 08:22 AM

thanks for all the comments folks, let me address some of the questions:

 

indeed the paint is tamiya british green over tamiya olive green, with the olive green left on the undercarriage and all non-top surfaces as a sort of DP40 primer look.

 

the wheels, well all four are resin wheels i had in my stash, i dont really recall where they came from as i buy wheels i like as i see them and then throw them into a box for later use. the rear wobbly web wheels are one piece resin including the tire and there are a couple problems like the outer edge of the wheels are chipped but i left it like that...run hard and put away wet. the fronts are some minilite style wheels that i cut apart and reassembled so they are very narrow.

 

bicycle fenders on the front wheels is essentially what i am going to attempt; as i mentioned above i am going to use the triumph bonneville front fender X2 and as they are 1/25 and the car 1/24 they will look like bicycle fenders.

 

thanks again for the comments and for looking...will update as appropriate, was hoping to have this done for NNL West 2 weeks from now but homie dont play that game...



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Posted 03 February 2013 - 06:34 PM

here is where its at for now, and a good view of what i am trying for:

 

additional 2" scale drop of the front axle courtesy of those little white lowering blocks:

 

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and a couple of views of the body stance and wheels and tires:

 

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thanks for looking and all comments welcome; if you have built something similar or this same MG kit a different way feel free to post some pics!



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Posted 04 February 2013 - 08:16 AM

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-time="1359870471" data-cid="870521" data-author="jbwelda"><p>i have been on a kick lately about trying to capture what i think i might have built in the way of a street rod if i were a teenager in England, countryside probably, and had mostly english mechanicals to work with but with a bit of a wannabe yank streak from reading the hot rod magazines of the day, the day being sometime in post-Beatle times, 65 or 66 or so. </p></blockquote><br />


I grew up as a teenager in England in the late '50's and early '60's before emigrating to Canada in 1966. I can relate to your image of a young boy/man, reading American Hot Rod magazines and dreaming of building a high powered machine such as this in the mid '60's. However, drag strips were not really established in England back then.... and WW2 airfields had been converted into private flying clubs, so a car like this could really only be used for cruising the narrow country lanes and impressing the local pub patrons. (Try getting "friendly" with a date in that cramped, uncomfortable cockpit!)

After the war, Britain was in a terrible state, both economically and physically. As a "middle class" kid I, like many others of my generation, dreamed of being able to live the "American dream"........ but money, facilities and access to all the parts, made that just about impossible. Father's were struggling to support their families and there was very little extra money, if any, to spend on vehicles like this. Those upper class individuals with higher incomes usually showed off their new Jaguars, Austin Healy's, Aston Martin's, etc. rather than embark on a project vehicle. Most teenagers couldn't afford to put insurance and "road tax" on anything with four wheels, so instead chose to ride motorbikes and scooters. Families bought "combinations" (motor bike and sidecar), for the same reason. One of the main reasons I came to Canada, was so that I could indulge myself in the "American" style car culture.... not available in Britain with all it's over regulated rules and restrictions, etc.

Unfortunately ... and I say this with the best intentions...... I don't believe your basic premise is very realistic... and to my mind, this would more likely have been a North American style build. Did you know by the way, I believe that more MG TC's were shipped to the States than were sold in England? (Correct me on this if I'm wrong.) And I believe that Caroll Shelby won his first race (Riverside?) in a friend's MG TC.

Having said all that.... don't get me wrong. This is an excellent build and I'm enjoying every new posting. You craftsmanship is great and it's a fascinating project. Keep it going

Tony

Edited by GTMust, 04 February 2013 - 08:27 AM.


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:59 PM

oh yeah, i forgot to mention one thing: i was also Prince Charles in this vision. so that took care of a lot of those problems! :P

 

nice background, thanks for throwing that in, and yeah the lotus rear suspension and only running a lotus 1+ liter motor, this thing wouldnt really be for the drags, more like as you say bombing around the countryside or trying to pick up birds at the pub. to go to their place. norweigan wood and all that. actually as you rightly point out, this thing wouldnt be around at all most likely. or it might be cobbled together by some total clockwork orange types or even road warrior nuts to drive around doing their thing. i am trying to keep it kinda "prole" and imagine that someone with connections could come up with the parts for it for a reasonable price. i remember back in the 60s here in the states anyway, a TD went dirt cheap though more exotic stuff like Lotus motors brought more serious change.

 

i am planning a third car, this time with either an E type jaguar motor, probably using the monogram kit for it, or perhaps the twin cam motor from tamiyas jaguar Mk II sedans. that would fill up the engine compartment a bit better than this little lotus motor does.

 

thanks again for the comments about time and place. it certainly helps set the scene for a car like this even when i am taking liberties with reality here and there.



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Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:06 PM

I'm liking this one a lot!



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Posted 04 February 2013 - 06:12 PM

I'm enjoying this too.  It's nice to see other people have Seven issues...

It's great to have a back story to build to. Fantasy? Inspiration?  Whatever, for me it provides some structure and direction.  FWIW, I have seen more bizarre creations in real life. 



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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:46 AM

Outstanding concept and execution!



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Posted 05 February 2013 - 03:22 PM

 

 

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Bill, looking at this rear view I can't help but think how cool this would look with the rear fenders bobbed to just behind the bodywork... I'm guessing that it's probably something you don't want to consider doing on this build but it might be something to think about for the next one!