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61 Ford Starliner: Obsessing Over Vent Windows!


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#1 John Goschke

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 10:26 AM

One of the things that bugs me about many old annual kits is the out-of-scale and, more often than not, inaccurate shape of the vent windows. It might seem like nit-picking but fixing these issues goes a long way to enhancing the appearance of a model and making a funky old kit look better than it really is.

 

In the case of a kit where the shape of the opening is right (AMT "old tool '57 Chevy, for example), all that needs to be done is to cut a new window glass out of some clear packaging material, acetate, or styrene that’s has a more correct scale thickness, outline it with a BMF “frame” after removing the ridge the kit maker used to represent the frame for the vent window glass and gluing some sheet styrene inside the opening for the new window fit against. The new window is installed from the outside. In some cases, such as AMT's '59 and '60 T-birds, the shape of the existing frame and opening may need to be corrected with some careful knife and file work. Sometimes it's easier to cut the frame out to reshape it, then reinstall.

 

In some cases the frame is best replaced entirely. All of AMT’s 3-in-1 annual Ford Galaxie hardtop and convertible kits from ’60 through ’62 (and Mercury, ’61 and ’62) suffer from an inaccurate vent window shape that’s too triangular, too “pointy” at the top, and too thick overall. On the real car, the vent window frame and glass have a small flat section at the top and the rear vent frame and window channel, rather than being vertical, is angled back a bit at the top. Additionally, none of the hardtop kits have any representation of weatherstripping or window channel for the rear quarter window.

 

On my rebuild of this original ’61 Starliner I decided to make new scratch vent window frames and add some strip styrene to represent weatherstripping and the channel for the rear quarter glass. Using available photo reference and a pattern taken from the model after the old vent window was carefully cut out, a new frame was cut out of some sheet styrene and carved, filled and sanded to shape. The ridge inside the frame was made by cementing thin sheet styrene to the back of the frame and cutting out the opening, leaving the thin ridge for the glass to sit on. The rear vent window channel is a separate piece.

 

Some refinement is needed, but here’s the driver’s side thus far. I'll try to add more pics of the process when I work on the passenger's side and finish up the driver's side.

 

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 11:27 AM

Thanks for posting this John! That's something that's bugged me too for some time. Not to mention..........the vent window "glass" is always a bit too deep inside the frame. The glass should fit nearly flush for a really nice appearance as you're showing with the added plastic ridge.

 

Your "weatherstrip" detail reminds me that I have to do the same thing on my '59 Chevy Impala WIP when I get back to it. That's sorely missing on both the '59 and '60 kits, and it was something I've always noticed on the 1:1's. ;)



#3 Ron Hamilton

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 11:42 AM

That's gonna be nice!!!!!



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Posted 13 March 2013 - 12:15 PM

Looks a lot better John! Is it my eyes or does the rear door line angle towards the front at the bottom? It looks like it does. Is that the way it's supposed to be? I can't wait to see what you do with this model!



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Posted 13 March 2013 - 03:04 PM

Looks good John.  If you could scribe the front door gap at the front fender panel for a little more separation it would give more realism.  About 3/8" +- was pretty standard back then. 



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Posted 14 March 2013 - 03:46 AM

Thanks, guys!

 

Yeah, Bill, I don't think there are that many hardtop kits out there that don't need some kind of weatherstripping detail added! Good luck with the Impala.

 

Roger, your point about that rear door line was a good (and scary) one, so since Google is my friend, I did an image search to check it. Here's a pretty good side view showing that apparently it does have that slight angle! Seems amazing somehow that AMT picked up that subtle detail! Would not have wanted to rescribe that one. However, since I've already decided not to correct the interior to a true hardtop configuration, I'd have probably just left it. Does look like I need to thin down my vent window frame a bit (Like I said, needs refinement.)

 

Ken, thanks, I'll check that gap. I did do a fair bit of blocking and rescribing there, particularly at the top where it meets the A pillar.

 

Looks goofy with the skirts!...

 

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Edited by John Goschke, 14 March 2013 - 03:50 AM.


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 06:49 AM

I love the 60/61 starliners...



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Posted 14 March 2013 - 07:17 AM

John, your obsession is why your models are always outstanding.



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Posted 14 March 2013 - 11:41 AM

John, your obsession is why your models are always outstanding.

 

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 12:04 PM

Looks goofy with the skirts!...

 

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I think it looks great! Might look a little better though if there wasn't that anodizing on the quarter panels. BTW, this is one of my favorite years of Galaxies! It was the last of the fins for the big Fords------and it's a '61 (like me) so it can't be all bad! :lol:



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Posted 14 March 2013 - 12:25 PM

Well John, not only does your work look awesome so far...but so does your photos!!!!  So clear and in focus!!!!