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#1 Harry P.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 03:13 PM

So I tried again today. Wow! What a difference! No line at all, I pulled right in to the test bay. I was in and out in 5 minutes. I guess it really does depend on the time of the month you go in. Lesson learned!



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 03:15 PM

I'm glad I live in a part of PA that has no emissions test.



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 03:17 PM

I'm glad I live in a part of PA that has no emissions test.

 

It's such a joke. Certain parts of the state get tested, others don't.  :rolleyes:



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 03:21 PM

The guy at my inspection station said to avoid the last week of the month, and the first week of the month. The last week is when all the people that wait to the last minute come in. The first week is when the people who wait until it's already too late come in. :P



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 03:30 PM

Once I took my dog with me. They wouldn't let me test even though they don't have to get in the vehicle. I know there are idiots who would show up in a car they DID have to enter with dogs, but my car isn't one of them.

I would be interested to know how effective the emissions programs really are. They are a pain and hassle, but, as stated in the earlier post, I can clearly remember the smell of sitting in traffic back in "the good old days", not to mention the smell from my own low buck rides. I have noticed a considerable smell in other countries too - mainly due to the prevalence of diesel - but think we here have extremely clean running cars.

Now, is it federal standards or local emission testing?

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 03:39 PM

It goes by the federal standards that all cars must meet for the year they were made. It's the states that decide how and where to enforce what types of testing is required. I personally think it's all a joke!



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 05:26 PM

What is this emissions test you speck of???? Long tube headers on 04 gto, check...... Hi flow cats, check........ other mods so it won't pass smog to save it's life, check......So what is this emissions test you speak of again? lol

Funny story living in California before my GTS dart was exempt, (75 and older now, was 65 and older) was going to get the dart smogged. Guy hears me pulling up and I hop out of car to talk to him about smog. His response almost verbatim was "There ain't no way in ---- that thing is ever gonna pass!" Said he could hear me coming a mile away lol! Living in AZ where we do, it's nice not having to deal with that anymore! All it is is a cash cow for what ever county it's being ran in. I think it's Oregon or Washington that has it right. THey don't care whats under the hood as long as it passed at most if not better than what it should have been as far a emission emittance levels. They don't even open the hood or look underneath!

 

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 05:41 PM

Cool cars, the most well known car custom shop in Kentucky,  is located in Louisville, Jefferson County.  Just so happened someone decided they should be the only county to have emissions tests as well.  Coincidence?  :blink:  At least it ain't Bowling Green!


Edited by Skydime, 09 April 2013 - 05:46 PM.


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 07:18 PM

Do you think in time the goverment will add more states and cities to be tested??



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 01:24 AM

I live in the smog check capital of the U.S. : California .

White Glove test for every and any 1976 & newer vehicle ; visual and dyno (tail pipe) tests .

 

Back in 1998 , testing for vehicles which were then-25 years old and older was dropped ; 1973 & earlier vehicles were now exempt !

This was supposed to be a rolling 25 year exemption (today , a 1988 vehicle would be exempt) ; however , our former Governor , "Ahh-nohld" , kissed butt to the wench at the C.A.R.B. (Calif Air Resources Board) , and suddenly , the cutoff is now 1975 .

 

While I like clean air , I also realise what a joke these visual tests are ! Who cares what's under the hood so long as it's clean out the pipe ?!?!?

I have seen vehicles fail the visual , but run clean out the pipe ; and I've seen cars pass everything else (visual) but fail the pipe test .

It's been proven twice that modified vehicles run cleaner than if all of that archaic equipment was in place ! Once those EGR valves become obsolete , the charcoal cannister is no longer serviced , and the distributors with stiff-as-a-carcass advance springs all fail , the car will run dirty !

 

I'm just glad that my 1972 Coronet is exempt from Calif's smog check scam / money grab !



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 02:35 AM

Once I took my dog with me. They wouldn't let me test even though they don't have to get in the vehicle. I know there are idiots who would show up in a car they DID have to enter with dogs, but my car isn't one of them.

 

 

You should have told them it was your seeing eye dog!   :lol:

 

 

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:51 AM

Do you think in time the goverment will add more states and cities to be tested??

 

Definitely, I'm sure they will.  Smog testing pretty much killed the hotrod option in California unless your car is older than 1975.  If you drive an 86 like me, you better be happy with the slug of a stock motor.  My friend recently wanted to sell his car, and had to get it smogged in order to do so.  It wouldn't pass because he had some duck tape covering a crack in his intake tube.  Apparently this counts as a "modification", which is now illegal.  Makes me want to cry! :(  



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:57 AM

Do you think in time the goverment will add more states and cities to be tested??

 

I'm sure they would if they could, but budgets are a problem. A lot of states are almost broke, so adding any new government "services" (and I use that term loosely!) is going to be tough. 



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 06:56 AM

.... I guess it really does depend on the time of the month....

 

If I recall correctly from the dim recesses of the past, that could be said of other things as well.



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 06:59 AM

 

If I recall correctly from the dim recesses of the past, that could be said of other things as well.

 

Oh yeah!  :lol:



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 07:16 AM

I live in the smog check capital of the U.S. : California .
White Glove test for every and any 1976 & newer vehicle ; visual and dyno (tail pipe) tests .
 
Back in 1998 , testing for vehicles which were then-25 years old and older was dropped ; 1973 & earlier vehicles were now exempt !
This was supposed to be a rolling 25 year exemption (today , a 1988 vehicle would be exempt) ; however , our former Governor , "Ahh-nohld" , kissed butt to the wench at the C.A.R.B. (Calif Air Resources Board) , and suddenly , the cutoff is now 1975 .
 
While I like clean air , I also realise what a joke these visual tests are ! Who cares what's under the hood so long as it's clean out the pipe ?!?!?
I have seen vehicles fail the visual , but run clean out the pipe ; and I've seen cars pass everything else (visual) but fail the pipe test .
It's been proven twice that modified vehicles run cleaner than if all of that archaic equipment was in place ! Once those EGR valves become obsolete , the charcoal cannister is no longer serviced , and the distributors with stiff-as-a-carcass advance springs all fail , the car will run dirty !
 
I'm just glad that my 1972 Coronet is exempt from Calif's smog check scam / money grab !


When Illinois was still doing the tailpipe testing, they didn't care about the mods, so long as it blew clean and and looked like it had functioning cat(s) on it. I seem to remember a few if the Turbo Dodge guys around here talking about getting their modded 2.2/2.5l turbo cars to pass smog with gutted amd straight piped cats.

On a side note, I was joking with one of our R/C customers yesterday that now that my 200 is running on E-85 I wouldn't have to worry about it passing emissions tests..........just have to be careful with roadside sobriety checks though, pretty sure a cold start on the stuff would peg a breathalizer machine :P

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 09:11 AM

Ok this whole mess is something I don't understand, like income taxes. But seems to me they have bigger fish to fry with larger companies "buying credits" to pollute the air. While the little man has to work and literally stay mobile. They would shut one car down, and let all the other millions of cars fogging the planet. The second part of that is, like mentioned is why only part of the states, and or cities? Arkansas used to have it, it is no longer in effect. Now with the rolling date for cars to be exempt? Why are not all ars checked? Just because they are "antique", older cars would be a higher risk of polluting the air, than the newer cars. While that is confusing ill sum it up with this,

It's just another way the government to get into our pocket.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 09:13 AM

Ok this whole mess is something I don't understand, like income taxes. But seems to me they have bigger fish to fry with larger companies "buying credits" to pollute the air. While the little man has to work and literally stay mobile. They would shut one car down, and let all the other millions of cars fogging the planet. The second part of that is, like mentioned is why only part of the states, and or cities? Arkansas used to have it, it is no longer in effect. Now with the rolling date for cars to be exempt? Why are not all ars checked? Just because they are "antique", older cars would be a higher risk of polluting the air, than the newer cars. While that is confusing ill sum it up with this,

It's just another way the government to get into our pocket.

As far as old cars, it's less of an issue because there are a lot fewer of them on the road and most are driven very little--weekend toys as opposed to modern daily drivers that rack up the miles.

 

As far as cities and metro areas, pollution is a bigger problem in them than out in the sticks because of the higher population, population density, traffic volume, # of cars on the roads, etc.


Edited by Rob Hall, 10 April 2013 - 09:14 AM.


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Posted 10 April 2013 - 11:56 AM

Rob has it exactly right. As somebody who loves and owns several old cars and is very active in the old car hobby, I can tell you that not only are they a statistically miniscule part of the overall picture but also, as Rob said, driven very few miles per year. In addition, because they are "hobby cars", they are generally kept in absolute peak running condition at all times. I've seen tests that show a well maintained collector can many times run cleaner than your typical late model daily driver that seldom gets any maintenance at all.

 

As for the programs that target some counties and not others it depends on conditions. I live in the mountains of east Tennessee and we simply don't have a smog problem. Like most of the rest of the country, the vast majority of cars on the road around here are less than ten years old and are very clean to begin with. Certainly much cleaner than the cars of the '70s and '80s. The counties of Tennessee that contain the major cities, Knoxville, Nashville, and Memphis are much more heavily populated, have more cars and more traffic, and so they do have smog inspections.

 

But it's still a scam!  :D



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 12:15 PM

In addition, because they are "hobby cars", they are generally kept in absolute peak running condition at all times.

 

I must admit I laughed pretty hard at this one... Thankfully here, nothing before 1995 gets tested. It used to be 1967 and earlier- so all my stuff was registered out of the county!


Edited by TheRX7Project, 10 April 2013 - 12:16 PM.