J Morrison Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 (edited) I would like the forum's opinion on this subject. When does someone become so popular in the hobby that they can no longer cut corners & "build for themselves" and have to take it to the next level. Whether that means learning & properly displaying mechanicals or take a step back & execute ALL the details properly instead of just 90%-ing details for the sake of them being on the model. What is the opinion of the board?" Edited November 14, 2014 by J Morrison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenGuthmiller Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 When the day comes that I stop building for myself, that will be the day that I stop building. I only do it because I enjoy it. If it ever becomes too much like work, I'll take up fishing or something. Steve 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaronw Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 When the hobby starts paying NFL star quarterback wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramfins59 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 I don't think it's a matter of someone getting so popular in the hobby that they feel that they have to stop building for themselves to take it to the next level, it's just that some people in the hobby, like myself, just want to push their envelope as their building skills improve over time. I build every one of my models for myself and always will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Morrison Posted November 14, 2014 Author Share Posted November 14, 2014 (edited) When the day comes that I stop building for myself, that will be the day that I stop building. I only do it because I enjoy it. If it ever becomes too much like work, I'll take up fishing or something. Steve I understand that Steven but you missed an important part of the question. When does ones "fame", for lack of a better term, in the hobby thru publications, forum content & followers, elevate one to the point that they are now the "go to" person people point out, to people outside the hobby, as an example of the best the hobby has to offer an must push themselves even more as they are now one of the faces & work of the hobby? Edited November 14, 2014 by J Morrison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Pugh Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Morrison Posted November 14, 2014 Author Share Posted November 14, 2014 Really? Yes, Really...It is a valid question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Pugh Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 (edited) This is silly. It's a dang hobby for crying out loud!! What responsibility or obligation does John (or anybody else for that matter), have to people that want to build models? Edited November 14, 2014 by gpugh1976 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2whl Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 When does someone become so popular in the hobby that they can no longer cut corners & "build for themselves" and have to take it to the next level. NEVER.......no one has the right to tell others how they MUST build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Morrison Posted November 14, 2014 Author Share Posted November 14, 2014 This is silly. It's a dang hobby for crying out loud!! What responsibility or obligation does John (or anybody else for that matter), have to people that want to build models? Yes it is a hobby, a hobby that some people take seriously while having fun. A lot of people get upset when building models is compared to playing with toys. Work that is shown in national publications with sub-par aspects bring the entire hobby down in how it is viewed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JunkPile Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 A few may take this stuff a bit too serious. Dern rivet counters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Morrison Posted November 14, 2014 Author Share Posted November 14, 2014 NEVER.......no one has the right to tell others how they MUST build. I'm not saying anyone MUST build a certain way. All I'm saying is that when one is in the spotlight often their builds should be up to that level 100% of the build, not cutting corners once the build is 90%-95% done to finish it. That detracts a lot more than the 5%-10% the builder cut corners on. There are several builder out there who build cleanly & accurately that get somewhat overshadowed but the "shiny, detailed for the sake of detail" builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Pugh Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Ya know who gets upset? The people that are criticized and scrutinized for their work! They're just like you and me, building model cars because they enjoy it! Then someone has gotta come around and give them BLAH_BLAH_BLAH_BLAH about their plug wires not being in the correct firing order! Then guess what happens? They get sick of this BS and then they leave from the public's eye and they go back to closet building. What good does that do ANY of us?!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Morrison Posted November 14, 2014 Author Share Posted November 14, 2014 A few may take this stuff a bit too serious. Dern rivet counters Why is someone who is passionate about the hobby & builds automatically a rivet counter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Pugh Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Got any pics of your models that we could take a look at Jonathon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highway Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 I've got my popcorn ready!! Now for my two cents worth on the topic, I do believe that as Jonathan is eluding to, if you are a popular and well known builder (featured in magazines etc.) but also tend to cut corners on details then use the "I build for myself" cop-out, it is just letting readers of the magazines and followers of that builder on forums figure that half-BLEEPed work is fine. I sorry if this may offend some, but I know when I first started building 30 years ago, I was always trying to improve my skills with the next build. After joining a local club, I strived for even more knowledge to improve, and still to this day build with this philosophy. I'm no where near a "perfect" or "professional" builder, and not afraid to post work here and not afraid of any criticism either, no criticism is worse than my own! I make mistakes, but when those mistakes are glaring enough, like mismatched or missing teeth on cog belts for example, I will not be happy until that is corrected. It takes no mechanical knowledge to see something like my example, just some common sense. There are some that may be happy with that, but I would see it and not be happy with it if it was on my shelf. It just blows my mind some of the things I see in magazines and think "how did that ever get in here"!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Morrison Posted November 14, 2014 Author Share Posted November 14, 2014 Ya know who gets upset? The people that are criticized and scrutinized for their work! They're just like you and me, building model cars because they enjoy it! Then someone has gotta come around and give them BLAH_BLAH_BLAH_BLAH about their plug wires not being in the correct firing order! Then guess what happens? They get sick of this BS and then they leave from the public's eye and they go back to closet building. What good does that do ANY of us?!! I know many very good builders who left the boards because of constant "Rainbows & Unicorns" comments being the only thing that is allowed to be posted. There is a well know forum (predates this one) that used to be THE place to go for the model car hobby new, builders, tips, etc. It literally took hours to go thru the new content that was posted daily. Now 10 minutes & you're done with the new content for the day & at least 75% of that content would be better posted on Facebook than a model car forum. Did criticizing work make people leave? No it was the constant praise for unworthy builds, the bashing of those who pointed out defects trying to help builders improve. Saying that someone will leave the boards because of criticism is almost as ludicrous as saying the model companies will stop making models if we say anything uncomplimentary about their products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Pugh Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Like I said, do you have any pics of models you've completed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Morrison Posted November 14, 2014 Author Share Posted November 14, 2014 Got any pics of your models that we could take a look at Jonathon? Ah yes, when you can't post a reasonable, thought out response whip out the old stand by "What have you built". That is irrelevant to the discussion as I am not, and may never be, a famous builder in the hobby. If I was, or do ever get there, than I will show my builds with my opinions. If I make comments about something that pertains to things I build or my building level then I will most certainly post pictures of my work along side my comments. I don't have be a nationally exposed builder to have an opinion in the subject, just like you don't have to be a chef to say a dish tastes bad to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Pugh Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 How is that irrelevant?!!?? Who are you to lead this brigade against these "famous" builders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Pugh Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 I don't have be a nationally exposed builder to have an opinion in the subject, just like you don't have to be a chef to say a dish tastes bad to you. The difference is......chef's get PAID! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalbert Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 If I should ever become so self centered, righteous, and arrogant as to think that when I build a model it is so well executed that the entire hobby is somehow better for witnessing its existance please someone call my doctor and have my medication adjusted. This is about the most asinine topic as has ever been started. Flame on, trolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Pugh Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 AMEN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Morrison Posted November 14, 2014 Author Share Posted November 14, 2014 How is that irrelevant?!!?? Who are you to lead this brigade against these "famous" builders? Because MY builds don't get national exposure so they are NOT the builds I am talking about. Not that hard a concept to grasp. BTW I'm not leading a brigade (I think you probably meant crusade) against "famous" builders. It was a discussion I had with some other builders and I thought I would bring the topic here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highway Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Ya know who gets upset? The people that are criticized and scrutinized for their work! They're just like you and me, building model cars because they enjoy it! Then someone has gotta come around and give them BLAH_BLAH_BLAH_BLAH about their plug wires not being in the correct firing order! Then guess what happens? They get sick of this BS and then they leave from the public's eye and they go back to closet building. What good does that do ANY of us?!! Maybe you feel this way, but I don't, just read what I stated in my previous post. I enjoy criticism, and if I accidentally misfired an engine, I'll correct it! Of course though, I take the time to RESEARCH anything I'm going into that much detail with. As I said in my previous post, things like that doesn't take much, if any, mechanical knowledge. If I'm going to wire a 429 in a 70 Boss Mustang, I'll at least take the few seconds to Google the firing order. Got any pics of your models that we could take a look at Jonathon? I'm not sure about Jonathon, but here are a few of mine, feel free to say whatever, I have the you know whats to take whatever you want to say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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