Rob Hall Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 I must be hallucinating. Okay, but there was a Kojak 4-door Buick Century model, right? Looking at the box art of the S&H Torino, I've seen it before somewhere. I'll have to read that post. The '72 Torino was made in a pale blue promo, and, I think, butterscotch. Nope...Corgi made diecast Kojak cars, but there were no models of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 You probably saw one of Everett Westphal, "what if" boxes... http://www.bonediggers.com/2-2/boxman/ewgal.html yes, that's probably what it was; I never was a fan of that car, and saw a few of the Torinos with that color scheme in the Detroit area; a Ranchero GT would have been much cooler, but would have had traction issues! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclescott58 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 You probably saw one of Everett Westphal, "what if" boxes... http://www.bonediggers.com/2-2/boxman/ewgal.html By the way, all of the fake kits on Westphal's web site should be made into real kits. Just about every one on his site I would buy if I could. Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Janssens Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 yes, that's probably what it was; I never was a fan of that car, and saw a few of the Torinos with that color scheme in the Detroit area; a Ranchero GT would have been much cooler, but would have had traction issues! Remember seeing more then a couple Torino based Ranchero's when visiting the south west during the 90s, though they were late '70s (stacked headlamps) especially like the GT version with the nice striping... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Geiger Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Here's as close as it gets for the Kojac car. 1/32 scale (sorta!) from Lindberg back in the day. Ma's Resin has a 3D printed prototype of the same era Pontiac Lemans, so some enterprising person could indeed build one in 1/25. For the 1950 Plymouth, I've seen built models of this car! I have an R&R resin kit that would be the basis to do so. So it is possible. At this point in our hobby, there are tons of subjects that were done in plastic kit. But there is another huge group of subjects that were done in diecast or resin in the right scale. As far as I'm concerned, a diecast is just a model in metal that you take apart to build. And resin opens up a world of possibilities. I have no patience / sympathy at all when someone rants that a certain car isn't available as a plastic kit. Someone will point out a diecast or resin and they rant on that they want a plastic kit. So Revell/AMT/Moebius needs to produce that car so you can buy ONE friggin copy? If your holy grail car exists in resin and you're too cheap to buy it, I guess it's not all that important to you anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thatswhatshesaid Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 ^ couldn't agree more. This hobby is about 10% building and 90% griping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) Here's as close as it gets for the Kojac car. 1/32 scale (sorta!) from Lindberg back in the day. Ma's Resin has a 3D printed prototype of the same era Pontiac Lemans, so some enterprising person could indeed build one in 1/25. For the 1950 Plymouth, I've seen built models of this car! I have an R&R resin kit that would be the basis to do so. So it is possible. At this point in our hobby, there are tons of subjects that were done in plastic kit. But there is another huge group of subjects that were done in diecast or resin in the right scale. As far as I'm concerned, a diecast is just a model in metal that you take apart to build. And resin opens up a world of possibilities. I have no patience / sympathy at all when someone rants that a certain car isn't available as a plastic kit. Someone will point out a diecast or resin and they rant on that they want a plastic kit. So Revell/AMT/Moebius needs to produce that car so you can buy ONE friggin copy? If your holy grail car exists in resin and you're too cheap to buy it, I guess it's not all that important to you anyway. Not everyone can dish out the price of resin, or not everyone has the skills to work with resin. It has nothing to do with being cheap. Alot of people can barely afford plastic kits. And alot of the time die casts are not nearly as detailed as a plastic kit. Especially in engine and chassis detail. Molded in chassis detail, pancake engine inserts. Tom, I usually find myself agreeing with you. Not this time. Get off your high horse. There are more reasons than being cheap. Edited July 12, 2014 by midnightprowler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Geiger Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Not everyone can dish out the price of resin, or not everyone has the skills to work with resin. It has nothing to do with being cheap. Alot of people can barely afford plastic kits. And alot of the time die casts are not nearly as detailed as a plastic kit. Especially in engine and chassis detail. Molded in chassis detail, pancake engine inserts. Tom, I usually find myself agreeing with you. Not this time. Get off your high horse. There are more reasons than being cheap. Lee, my point is that if your holy grail car exists as a resin.. Anybody at any income level can save up or trade for that one resin kit if that car is very important to you. Same goes for that holy grail expensive kit. Do an eBay watch for that kit until one comes through at your price. Buy an old built up and restore it. People we know have done spectacular builds from diecasts. Reference the 1903 Ford Model A that Harry showed in the Model A thread this week. Skill wise, there is no greater motivator to learn new skills and methods than getting that one holy grail car on your shelf! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Barrow Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 It basically boils down to this: "Dear Model Company, could you spend $250,000 so I can spend $25 for a plastic kit instead of $60-80 for resin? Toodles!" Seems fair... Regarding the High and Mighty - it is doable... http://www.modelcarsmag.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=86189 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Anderson Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Not everyone can dish out the price of resin, or not everyone has the skills to work with resin. It has nothing to do with being cheap. Alot of people can barely afford plastic kits. And alot of the time die casts are not nearly as detailed as a plastic kit. Especially in engine and chassis detail. Molded in chassis detail, pancake engine inserts. Tom, I usually find myself agreeing with you. Not this time. Get off your high horse. There are more reasons than being cheap. You might substitute "will dish out the price" for "can dish out the price" when discussing such as a resin kit. All purchases of things we buy for our own pleasure are the result of a conscious decision to part with money for something we really want and like to do or have, not a necessity we must take care of. As for the "skills to work with resin", just as with injection-molded plastic kits, there are resin kits and there are resin kits. In both venues, there are model kits that seemingly defy even the most skilled builders, and yet there are also kits that almost seem to "fly together"--having built my share of both styrene and resin kits, I think I've seen more than my share of each frankly. In all this thread, I see the "bottom line" as a matter of the popularity of any automotive subject in the model car marketplace. For sure, of the literally thousands of makes, models/body styles, and model years of just American cars produced since 1895 when the Duryea Brothers began producing cars, there have been all sorts, from highly popular and desireable ones, to those which just somehow didn't appeal to enough real car buyers for them to succeed in the marketplace. It's pretty much the same with model car kits--there are those which are highly sought after, wished for by thousands. But on the other side of the coin, there have been far more real car subjects which may appeal to smaller numbers (and often much smaller numbers, BTW) of builders that they just really don't have the mass appeal which would make them popular enough for any company to invest well up in 6 figures to bring to market--that's where resin kits come in--to fill, satisfy that niche. For a lot of modelers, the necessarily higher costs to produce a single resin kit really isn't a tough decision, while of course, for others the expenditure of perhaps 3 times the price of a comparable (yet different subject matter) styrene kit is a major purchase, one that might call for some real decision making. Art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry P. Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 It basically boils down to this: "Dear Model Company, could you spend $250,000 so I can spend $25 for a plastic kit instead of $60-80 for resin? Toodles!" Seems fair... Agreed. And I agree with Tom... if the model exists as either a diecast or in resin, buy it! Diecast not detailed enough for ya? Take it apart and detail it, for cryin' out loud! Resin kit too pricey? Stop stockpiling hundreds of plastic kits that you'll never have time to build in your lifetime anyway, save up a few bucks, and buy the resin kit, fer pete's sake! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Myers Posted July 12, 2014 Author Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) Do I see a new Moebius kit or two or three in there ? Edited July 12, 2014 by Greg Myers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Handley Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Now those are cars that need to be kitted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Barrow Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Modelhaus does(did?) the Tucker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Janssens Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) IMHO a kit of a Tucker, will tank so deep that the manufacturer who kitted it will go into oblivion too, unless its a pre-decorated snapper, then they might survive... Sure they idea maybe had some merit at the time the movie debuted, but still would've been a shelf sitter despite the larger platform the hobby had IMHO a kit of the following items would do much, much better, but then again maybe fraud is involved considering the high numbers :D . http://ideas.revell.de/ideas/item/2734/ http://ideas.revell.de/ideas/item/2732/ And maybe just maybe this one too: http://ideas.revell.de/ideas/item/3470/ Edited July 12, 2014 by Luc Janssens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry P. Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 That Tucker convertible is a beauty! A Photoshop job, or did someone actually hack up a real Tucker? Or is it a fake/clone/replica... BTW... I agree that a scale Tucker would be a good seller. And there's no better (or more likely) company to do it than Moebius. If we saw a Moebius Tucker in the future, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 That Tucker convertible is a beauty! A Photoshop job, or did someone actually hack up a real Tucker? Or is it a fake/clone/replica... BTW... I agree that a scale Tucker would be a good seller. And there's no better (or more likely) company to do it than Moebius. If we saw a Moebius Tucker in the future, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised... I believe that it's "real" insofar as it was built up from genuine leftover Tucker parts so nobody actually cut up a real Tucker. I seem to recall somewhat of a ruckus concerning it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Myers Posted July 12, 2014 Author Share Posted July 12, 2014 And that's what's so great about this board. A suggestion, an overwhelming response, an existing solution, a naysayer with reason and pictures, a supporter with questions and approval and you still have the opportunity to discuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Myers Posted July 12, 2014 Author Share Posted July 12, 2014 I believe that it's "real" insofar as it was built up from genuine leftover Tucker parts so nobody actually cut up a real Tucker. I seem to recall somewhat of a ruckus concerning it. and this : http://tuckerconvertible.com/story.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Anderson Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Now those are cars that need to be kitted! Yup, for all of perhaps 2,000 kits sold or thereabouts. Unfortunately there are a great many cars I'd like to see in model kits (Tuckers are up close to the top of the page BTW), but sadly, many of those subjects simply would not generate nearly enough sales nor revenue to amortize the tooling. Art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry P. Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 and this : http://tuckerconvertible.com/story.php Interesting story. I never knew a "real" Tucker convertible existed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Barrow Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Do I see a new Moebius kit or two or three in there ? This looks shopped. I can tell from the pixels and seeing quite a few shops in my time. Not to mention it's a two door, the only Tucker to compete in NASCAR broke an axle on the opening lap of its first and only race **dang big 3 conspiracy!!!**, and this is the real picture: I think the way to get a Tucker model made is to take the Wingnut Wings/Peter Jackson approach - convince Francis Ford Coppola and/or George Lucas (both Tucker owners) to start a model company! One could make a small fortune making Tucker models, provided they started with a large fortune! It wouldn't totally shock me to see Moebius do one, as they naturally cater to a smaller market, but if Revell were to do one, I'd demand mandatory drug testing on Revell's entire management and product development staffs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Lee, my point is that if your holy grail car exists as a resin.. Anybody at any income level can save up or trade for that one resin kit if that car is very important to you. Same goes for that holy grail expensive kit. Do an eBay watch for that kit until one comes through at your price. Buy an old built up and restore it. People we know have done spectacular builds from diecasts. Reference the 1903 Ford Model A that Harry showed in the Model A thread this week. Skill wise, there is no greater motivator to learn new skills and methods than getting that one holy grail car on your shelf! Good points. I retract my previous statement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Anderson Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 This looks shopped. I can tell from the pixels and seeing quite a few shops in my time. Not to mention it's a two door, the only Tucker to compete in NASCAR broke an axle on the opening lap of its first and only race **dang big 3 conspiracy!!!**, and this is the real picture: I think the way to get a Tucker model made is to take the Wingnut Wings/Peter Jackson approach - convince Francis Ford Coppola and/or George Lucas (both Tucker owners) to start a model company! One could make a small fortune making Tucker models, provided they started with a large fortune! It wouldn't totally shock me to see Moebius do one, as they naturally cater to a smaller market, but if Revell were to do one, I'd demand mandatory drug testing on Revell's entire management and product development staffs! Knowing the folks at Moebius as I do, I think I can say that, business wise, they aren't that stupid! Art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Geiger Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Knowing the folks at Moebius as I do, I think I can say that, business wise, they aren't that stupid! Art Not much of a market for a Tucker. What ever thirst there was has been satisfied by the Modelhaus kit (mastered by TSSMCC member George Ellis) and there was also a Franklin Mint version in 1/24 as well as a 1/18 scale diecast (either sold under multiple brands or there are several dif versions to choose from). For those who wish to whine that they can't afford Franklin Mint, there are several to many listed on that auction place for less than the price of a current kit. A few summers ago I had a summer intern at work whose first name was Tucker. Almost immediately I asked him about the car and he had never heard of it! When I showed him the history etc he did think it was cool, but think about it.... if in this kids 20 years of life nobody around him had ever associated the car with his name?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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