Arnd Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) Hi allThis is just a fun project as a relaxation from my other projects. This one will be build up only from old parts and spare parts. Well at least I will try to do it like this. Last year while I was looking for truck pics in the internet I find some of old fleet trucks which are used as so called “yard mules”. They got a lifting fifth wheel and a second life moving trailers around. That is the idea behind the project. I started with an old build. It is a Mack DM 600 hood and cab on an Italeri frame started as a logging truck. I was not happy with that build so it is perfect for a second start.The parts: Engine, AMT’s Detroit diesel changed into a six cylinder version. Frame and axels from Italeri. Transmission and rear springs, resin parts from the spare box. The tire and rims are from Revell. The rest, well from here and there. The used model was started with a normal frame from Italeri, built it together and placed the cab on it. It looks grate but it’s not very realistic, a strait frame not very common for Mack. The whole thing wasn’t that what it should be, not a MackThat was the truck:I lowered the front springs, spread the frame in the front to make it more Mack like and shorted the frame for a single axel version. After the frame was changed the hood had to be hinged again to fit to the wider frame. The engine a Detroit Diesel 8V-71 from AMT was changed into a 6 cylinder version and with a Mack transmission it was placed into the frame. With some small modifications everything fits quiet well. I know many of the Mack enthusiasts will be a bit disappointed of an DD in a Mack. But as the whole truck is build up from spare and used parts I would say the DD is grate. Edited June 29, 2014 by Arnd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnd Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) The pictures are not very well but I hope they are still good enough to get an impression how this think is started. I will post some mode detail pics tomorrow. So long Arnd Edited January 7, 2014 by Arnd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamp Dog Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 man that sure is gonna be looking good..i like where this is going .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris guthro Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Very cool little truck!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olsbooks Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I like! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edsel-Dan Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) I like this too And a DD in a Mack is Not unheard of. They Sold a truck the way the buyer wanted it, If it was ordered new. And an engine can always be a replacement!! Being a yard Mule, it very well Could have had a replaced engine! If sold New with a different brand Engine Mack painted the hood mounted Bulldog Gold, If it had a Mack Engine, it was Chrome (I think that is correct. Or is it backwards?? and the Cold was for a MACK engine, and Chrome other supplier??) Edited January 8, 2014 by Edsel-Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ap40rocktruck Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I like this too And a DD in a Mack is Not unheard of. They Sold a truck the way the buyer wanted it, If it was ordered new. And an engine can always be a replacement!! Being a yard Mule, it very well Could have had a replaced engine! If sold New with a different brand Engine Mack painted the hood mounted Bulldog Gold, If it had a Mack Engine, it was Chrome (I think that is correct. Or is it backwards?? and the Cold was for a MACK engine, and Chrome other supplier??) Mack engine, trans & drive axles gave you a GOLD dog. Any vendor engine, regardless of drive train, a Chrome dog was standard Now if the DM was a factory 4x2, with ONE drive axle, Then this is a DM-400T (T - tractor) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edsel-Dan Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Figured since I posted it I would do so Backwards!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bgrgbldr Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Arnd, Nice yard goat. The tractors I remember had Bartlett lifts on the back like this one. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bartlett-Bartlet-Lifting-Device-Hydraulic-Fifth-Wheel-/161082005015 Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilrathy10 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 This is gonna look great....Great job on the lift mech....Can't wait to see this one done.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnd Posted January 11, 2014 Author Share Posted January 11, 2014 Hallo all First of all thanks a lot for all the information and advices. The thing with the color of the bulldog is really nice. It seems that for Mack it was important that everyone could immediately recognize if its a mack with a real mack heart or not. I tried to change the title but it didnt work or better said I do not find out how to do it. Perhaps someone can tell me how it works. I worked again on the Mack the last few days. I reworked the steering system and moved it to the inner side of the frame the original shaft from the kit has to be a bit reworked to fit with the cab. I restarted the fifth wheel. The one I build up is more common on the real yard mules as I remarked on many pics in the internet. And with the advice from Gary it is clear that the fifth wheel has to be reworked. I started with the frame. Then I added the bars which hold the fifth wheel and make it possible to elevate it. There are some little details still missing but the main part is done. The fifth wheel it self is from Revel I reworked it, added a working king pin jaws and the king pin jaw locking cylinder. It is not perfect but it works. I hope to have tomorrow some more time to work on that old lady. So long Arnd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olsbooks Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Thanks for sharing. Dare I call this a cute little puppy dog? Nice job on the 5th wheel. About to start working on mine myself and needing some help. Thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kostas Parchas Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Keep it coming. I like what you have done so far. Kostas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris guthro Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 This is really coming along!! Nice work on the fifth wheel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bgrgbldr Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Arnd, I apologize if you felt I was criticizing your original fifth lift that was not my intent. The new fifth wheel lift is right on the money very nice work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnd Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 Hallo all Gary, you do not have to apologize I am very thankful for all this advices which make it possible to build up the truck as realistic as possible. I didn’t like it my self from the beginning on because it is definitely not for such a truck build and I had a big problem with the lifting hydraulic cylinder because of the rear axel it was impossible o fix it in place. I worked again a bit on the truck just a little progress. And one with the whole trailer. Looks nice that girl. I tried some thing out like the place for the battery boxes instead of the right fuel tank and about the air tanks. In my mind Mack uses air starter. Now with all this thoughts many questions come up. How many batteries do Macks have? Do they work with 12 or 24 volt? Do all Macks have air starter or is it optional? I hope some of you has some answers for me. Thanks for your effort. So long Arnd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olsbooks Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) Really looking good. Air start is a customer spec (very expensive) and could be applied to most any engine back then.Lots of pros and cons to it. If you put air start, the starter motor itself is considerablly different in appearance and there will need to be a third very large air resevoir somewhere. Some of the big fleets have had an on again off again affair with them but I have not seen many of them in recent years. With the advent of electronics, starting is a lot easier than it used to be...atleast as long as the electronics work. If you use air start on your kit, then TYPICALLY you only have pure 12V system and one or sometimes two batteries tops. No need for massive battery power so one battery box will be the norm. Most non air start trucks back then were 24V with (4) 12v batteries. I have seen a few with 12V, 36V, and 48V starters and of course more batteries. Again, variations exist but the rest of the truck USUALLY remains 12V. You can get all into series and parallel circuits to figure out how that works. Keep in mind I am dating myself and been out of the game for many years. Senility is possible so someone feel free to pipe in. Air starts are fun in real life. They are going to spin that engine no matter what and are quite noisy. Very unique noise. Check one out on Youtube. Air start is great just as long as there is not water or fuel on top of a piston (it will bend a rod in a second) and there is air in the tank. If you want to do some research on them Ingersol is one of the more common builders of these starters. Really neat truck. . Edited January 12, 2014 by olsbooks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnd Posted February 2, 2014 Author Share Posted February 2, 2014 Hi all It took me some time but I worked again on my Mack. The fifth wheel is ready now. I added the hydraulic cylinder and some little details. So long Arnd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olsbooks Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Very sharp! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bgrgbldr Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 very nice detail. Great build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnd Posted June 15, 2014 Author Share Posted June 15, 2014 Hallo all I had some time and worked again on the Mack. The brake system is ready and plumbed. The air tanks, the valves, air dryer and brake chambers are on the right place. The air brake valves were reworked and cast in resin. Like this it is easier to use them on different trucks. The electrical wires are on the right place. I worked out the hydraulic system with the tank and switch unit for the fifth wheel cylinder. On the right side the battery boxes are placed instead of the fuel tank. The front shock absorber, the rear lights, the brackets for the rear mud flaps and many many more little details were added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnd Posted June 15, 2014 Author Share Posted June 15, 2014 The self made parts. I hope to get some more time this week and start painting the frame. So long Arnd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinac359 Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Excellent work! Since your Mack is for lighter duty, it would be a U-600 instead of a DM-600. The DM stood for Dump/Mixer. The U series (U-600 and U-400) were lighter weight springs, axles and frame rails for highway duty. The U used the same cab/hood/grille/ etc as the DM's. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disabled modeler Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Very nice!... Where did you get those tires that were on the back from the first photos???....I need some like them for a project build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbill Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 nice work so far! looks like a plumbing nightmare keep up the great work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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