Modelmartin Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Oh brother. Indians are redskins, so are a sports team. get over it. Retarded are retarded, fat are fat, a man with a broken leg is crippled. And people with low IQ are idiots. Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modelmartin Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 What I question is this: the Washington Redskins have been the Washington Redskins for nearly a hundred years. If anyone was offended by that, they've had plenty of time to speak up. Yet, the name didn't become an issue until certain people decided to make it an issue, like Harry Reid, for one. I have heard that the vast majority of actual Indians (or "native Americans" or whatever the "correct" term is today) are not offended by the Redskins, or the Cleveland Indians, or the Atlanta Braves, or the Chicago Blackhawks, or the Kansas City Chiefs, or the Florida Seminoles, etc. I can see that the term "redskin" can be taken as a slur, especially by those who are easily "outraged," as seems to be the case with many people these days. But when the likes of a Harry Reid are the ones who are "offended" and pushing this issue, I have to think there is more political correctness driving this than actual offense taken by anyone. Once the PC Patrol sinks their teeth into an issue, they don't let go. Just my opinion. Your mileage may vary. The issue has been around a lot longer than Harry Reid has been in office. Society's sensibilities change over time. The N-word used to be acceptable at one time. There are lots of things that once were acceptable but are not now. We have evolved. To quote that great humanitarian and philosopher Rodney King - " Can't we all just get along". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry P. Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 To quote that great humanitarian and philosopher Rodney King - " Can't we all just get along". Not as long as idealogues keep creating PC "issues" that must be resolved to meet their demands. I don't remember there ever being any outcry over the Washington Redskins name before this current one. Nobody has ever pressured the team owners to change the name until now. Where was all the "outrage" and "offense" before? I agree with you that times change and what was once acceptable may not be anymore. But my point is, look who's pushing this issue. American Indians? No. Harry Reid is, and similar members of the PC Police. That's why I asked how much of this has to do with real people actually being offended, and how much does it have to do with pushing a particular socio-political agenda by people who themselves have no reason to be offended, but who want everyone to see things their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry P. Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Maybe the name "Redskins" does need to go. How about a name that has more of a connection to D.C.? How about the Washington Weasels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Barrow Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) In the case of the Redskins, there's a really simple solution... Edited July 19, 2014 by Brett Barrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry P. Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Won't that offend the potato population? Oh well... they can just cover their eyes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Barrow Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) Not as long as idealogues keep creating PC "issues" that must be resolved to meet their demands. I don't remember there ever being any outcry over the Washington Redskins name before this current one. Nobody has ever pressured the team owners to change the name until now. Where was all the "outrage" and "offense" before? I agree with you that times change and what was once acceptable may not be anymore. But my point is, look who's pushing this issue. American Indians? No. Harry Reid is, and similar members of the PC Police. That's why I asked how much of this has to do with real people actually being offended, and how much does it have to do with pushing a particular socio-political agenda by people who themselves have no reason to be offended, but who want everyone to see things their way. You may not remember it, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. I grew up in Virginia, the Redskins were the local team (though most folks seemed to be Cowboys fans). It happened. I was in high school at the time, we were the Warriors and had an Indian mascot, we were afraid we'd have to change. From Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Redskins_name_controversy Protests[edit] National protests began in 1988, after the team's Super Bowl XXII victory. Numerous Native Americans wrote letters to Redskins owner Jack Kent Cooke encouraging him to change the name. Others boycotted Redskins products and protested. Many of these events were led by Suzan Shown Harjo of the National Congress of American Indians (NCAI). Cooke responded in an interview, stating, "There's not a single, solitary jot, tittle, whit chance in the world that the Redskins will adopt a new nickname."[42] There was a large protest at the 1992 Super Bowl between the Redskins and the Buffalo Bills. The game was held in Minnesota, and many Native Americans from the region came out to protest the name. The American Indian Movement's (AIM) Vernon Bellecourt was one of the main organizers of the protest. Before and during the game, approximately 2,000 Chippewa, Sioux, Winnebago, and Choctaw, and other Native Americans and members of the local population, protested. Their signs read, "We are not Mascots", "Promote Sports not Racism", and "Repeal Redskin Racism".[43] Edited July 19, 2014 by Brett Barrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Barrow Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Won't that offend the potato population? Oh well... they can just cover their eyes... Eyes... ISWYDT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbwelda Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 oops got my stooges mixed up...I always remembered them better as Dewey, Cheatem and Howe, the lawyers. thing about the confederate flag...doesn't take that deep a scratch into those who sport it to reveal the white hooded robe underneath. typically speaking that is. there are always exceptions like the black man in Virginia who lives near my brothers house who flies the rebel flag outside his house. I happened to get the opportunity to ask him why one day and he said: its part of my history and I am proud of my history and lineage. I should add he said that with no malice or vengeance in his voice or evidently in his mind, just as a matter of fact thing. the thing about the word "Redskin" was evidently it was coined to describe native americans at a time when there was a bounty on their heads just for being who they were. I doubt many of us here would want to celebrate that or take lightly to it being bandied about like its nothing. personally I have a problem with the word "Indian" only because it is a word coined by a bunch of lost Europeans who thought they were in India. and because they were confused about where they were. the Native Americans population have to live with a name that doesn't describe them at all. I don't think its a big deal, but I do think its a big irony and if I were proud of my heritage I would not like it. but I am not native American so it really is none of my business. however I do not like "oppressor" words like that (and marijuana for another...if you don't know what I mean look up the history of the word sometime). the real point is, there are good and bad from all nationalities and colors. mere words don't really matter: what this world needs are more Richards and fewer Dicks. jb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry P. Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Everyone comes from someplace else. The "Indians" migrated to North America from Asia, over to what is now Alaska, and down across North America, a long time ago when there was still a land bridge between Siberia and North America. So the "Native" Americans aren't all that native to America at all. We need to put less emphasis on terms and labels and who is what, and put more effort into treating each other equally. I like jb's last sentence above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Well, while folks of non Native-American lineage are being all distraught about the words "Indian" and "redskin", it just MIGHT be good to take a minute and think about the fact that MOST OF US are living on land effectively STOLEN from the indigenous people. Of course, it's a lot easier to get all uptight about the political correctness of a label than it is to take a hard look at the real moral issues, isn't it?? I mean, I don't see many (any?) "redskin" protesters standing in line to give their real estate back to the tribe that rightfully owns it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry P. Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 And until Harry Reid puts his Redskins season tickets up on ebay and donates the proceeds to Native American causes, he's nothing but a hypocrite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbwelda Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Well Bill, when you bring that up, it seems to me very little to ask to change any and all references to whatever they want to whatever they want. And anytime they may want. Consider the alternatives in a fair world. Got any idea what the monthly rent might be for the land, say, San Francisco is sitting on? Those are gonna be some pretty major reparations. And there are many more nearly as aggrieved groups standing in line right behind them. empire building isn't a pretty sight sometimes. jb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbwelda Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Oh wait, what was the topic again? Oh yeah, that Rommels Rod thing. Still makes me cringe when I see it, but that's my reaction to most Daniels designs. jb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 And people with low IQ are idiots. Get over it. Typical left response. Name calling. I am offended. Thpppppppppp. Maybe the name "Redskins" does need to go. How about a name that has more of a connection to D.C.? How about the Washington Weasels? i love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 (edited) the real point is, there are good and bad from all nationalities and colors. mere words don't really matter: what this world needs are more Richards and fewer Dicks. jb Jb you are correct sir! Edited July 20, 2014 by midnightprowler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 And all of this because of the sale of a WW2 relic. I AM impressed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modelmartin Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Not as long as idealogues keep creating PC "issues" that must be resolved to meet their demands. I don't remember there ever being any outcry over the Washington Redskins name before this current one. Nobody has ever pressured the team owners to change the name until now. Where was all the "outrage" and "offense" before? I agree with you that times change and what was once acceptable may not be anymore. But my point is, look who's pushing this issue. American Indians? No. Harry Reid is, and similar members of the PC Police. That's why I asked how much of this has to do with real people actually being offended, and how much does it have to do with pushing a particular socio-political agenda by people who themselves have no reason to be offended, but who want everyone to see things their way. You probably have not noticed because few do, but Native Americans have been protesting the derogatory sports team names and other racist representations of Native Americans since at least the 1970s. Of course Fox News was not around then so you would not have heard about it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 (edited) You probably have not noticed because few do, but Native Americans have been protesting the derogatory sports team names and other racist representations of Native Americans since at least the 1970s. Of course Fox News was not around then so you would not have heard about it!!! There's simply NO logic here. Why, oh WHY, would anyone name a sports team for something they looked DOWN upon ??? These "Indian" names were chosen, again, to denote the bravery (like in "Braves", ya' know?), spirit, ferocity and tenacity of tribal warriors. Nothing racist or derogatory implied. But wait...naming teams for anything that implies CONFLICT or COMPETITION should surely be outlawed as well. Maybe teams should be named for warm fuzzy things instead, like the Little Kittys, or the Gerbils. Edited July 20, 2014 by Ace-Garageguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modelmartin Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 (edited) Typical left response. Name calling. I am offended. Thpppppppppp. Gawd! You are dull and tedious. ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz. Don't worry about me anymore, Lee. I added you to my ignore post list. Feel free to add mine to yours.....Please. Edited July 20, 2014 by Modelmartin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Barrow Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 There's simply NO logic here. Why, oh WHY, would anyone name a sports team for something they looked DOWN upon ??? These "Indian" names were chosen, again, to denote the bravery (like in "Braves", ya' know?), spirit, ferocity and tenacity of tribal warriors. Nothing racist or derogatory implied. But wait...naming teams for anything that implies CONFLICT or COMPETITION should surely be outlawed as well. Maybe teams should be named for warm fuzzy things instead, like the Little Kittys, or the Gerbils. Maybe that was the case at one time, but when you come up with ridiculous caricature mascots like Chief Wahoo (Cleveland Indians) Cheif Nokahoma (Atlanta Braves) and Chief Fullabull/Sammy Seminole (Florida State) that kinda blows up the "honoring you" defense. Some teams do it better than others, the Chicago Blackhawks being a good example, they're pretty classy. The ones I mentioned were pretty tasteless, and I'm not easily offended. They were all retired (in the case of Wahoo, just this year) amid pretty significant protest. Every opening day for many years there were sizable protests in Cleveland over the Wahoo mascot. I guess the 24-hour cable news channels didn't send cameras, so it may be news to some folks to find out that natives have been protesting this stuff for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 ... when you come up with ridiculous caricature mascots like Chief Wahoo (Cleveland Indians) Cheif Nokahoma (Atlanta Braves) and Chief Fullabull/Sammy Seminole (Florida State) that kinda blows up the "honoring you" defense. ... The ones I mentioned were pretty tasteless, and I'm not easily offended... Good point made and conceded. But "tasteless" sells to the vast majority. I guess that's the real reason why the PC police are coming...to protect society from tastelessness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclescott58 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Back on subject. Just tonight I purchased a copy of Tom Daniel's Rommel's Rod model kit on eBay. Never owned one in the past. Been kind of wishy washy over the last couple of years about buying one. But now with the PC police types out there, who knows? If I don't buy one now, will they be available in the future? Thanks guys. Your conversations about what's politically correct or not, has scared me into purchasing the kit. Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 (edited) Gawd! You are dull and tedious. ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz. Don't worry about me anymore, Lee. I added you to my ignore post list. Feel free to add mine to yours.....Please. I wont because I love seeing how ridiculous you can get. I guess the truth hurts. Edited July 20, 2014 by midnightprowler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modelmartin Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Good point made and conceded. But "tasteless" sells to the vast majority. I guess that's the real reason why the PC police are coming...to protect society from tastelessness. I will pass on the race to the bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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