cruz Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 This is gonna be a good one, I might just be putting one together!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towtruck Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 does this mean the 2 door is already retired ? I'm wondering if they modified the molds to make the wagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
250 Testa Rossa Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 I'd definitely build this one factory stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 does this mean the 2 door is already retired ? I'm wondering if they modified the molds to make the wagon. I seriously doubt it. Because the CAD and CNC files exist for the 2-door sedan, it's relatively easy to go back into the CAD work to modify it into a wagon, and then translate that into CNC data to cut a new set of molds (assuming the CAD work was saved and formatted to be easily edited). In the days when steel injection molding tools were cut by hand by highly-skilled machinists, it probably made more economic sense to modify existing tooling, but cutting a new set of body molds, and whatever else is necessary to change to a wagon (these days, on CNC equipment) is not anywhere as difficult or expensive as you might think. It's the initial expense of developing the FIRST tool-set that eats up a ton of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towtruck Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 hope you're right on that but I've got 2 in my stash for down the road in case. don't wanna pay the price on evil-bay for 'em someday.if there discontinued.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 I hope that's how it will be done. I'm hoping the 2n1 is stock and custom. If it's stock and police car, I'll just wait for the next version. My guess? The police option will not be part of this first issue as the second building option. The "Streetburner" sub-labelled kits seem to trend more toward stock vehicles with some additional wheels, tires, engine parts, etc. to make a slightly modified street machine-ish second version. Hard to tell what will happen, though, given Revell's inconsistency with their various sub-labels-- Streetburner, Special Edition, Car Show, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Funny...I'm strangely disappointed they're doing a wagon. I have an ancient gluebomb 1st issue wagon that about the only usable parts on are the roof and tailgate area. I already had the parts boxed up with a '57 sedan kit to do a wagon, and now I won't have to. Lots less work for me, something else I wouldn't have got to in forever, and the kit version will probably be nicer than what I would have come up with anyway. Still, it's oddly a sort of letdown. I'm a very twisted individual, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Anderson Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 I seriously doubt it. Because the CAD and CNC files exist for the 2-door sedan, it's relatively easy to go back into the CAD work to modify it into a wagon, and then translate that into CNC data to cut a new set of molds (assuming the CAD work was saved and formatted to be easily edited). In the days when steel injection molding tools were cut by hand by highly-skilled machinists, it probably made more economic sense to modify existing tooling, but cutting a new set of body molds, and whatever else is necessary to change to a wagon (these days, on CNC equipment) is not anywhere as difficult or expensive as you might think. It's the initial expense of developing the FIRST tool-set that eats up a ton of money. Actually, Revell more than likely did NOT just "re-cut" the tooling for the Tudor body! Model car body tooling is MULTI-PIECE, meaning at least 6 different tooling sections that come together to mold a body shell. Thus, all that was necessary was to design and make new tooling for the Del Rio body, interior, and any other parts that differ from the Tudor Sedan--install those in the dies, cosmoline the Tudor mold slides for future re-use. Art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Actually, Revell more than likely did NOT just "re-cut" the tooling for the Tudor body! Model car body tooling is MULTI-PIECE, meaning at least 6 different tooling sections that come together to mold a body shell. Thus, all that was necessary was to design and make new tooling for the Del Rio body, interior, and any other parts that differ from the Tudor Sedan--install those in the dies, cosmoline the Tudor mold slides for future re-use. Art That's pretty much what I said...if the CAD files for the Tudor body and parts still exist, it shouldn't be hard at all to copy them, modify them in the computer as-necessary for the Del Rio wagon, and cut entirely NEW tools from the modified data, leaving the original Tudor CAD work AND dies intact. Guess I wasn't clear enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrknowetall Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 We've got a lot of buzz on this kit! Goes to show that a good, long roof model can, and will sell. I work in the business of hobbies, and I see me buying a few. My customers have already stepped up for some big backorder numbers! Very soon, I'll be building a chassis and engine combo from the sedan kit, just so I have a head start. I'm guessing that the floor pan for the Del Rio will be different, just like in the '49 Merc Woody kit from Revell. Have I said I can't wait for this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
250 Testa Rossa Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 I would certainly have no problem painting a two-tone paint job on this beauty. Just not sure what color I would want to paint it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrknowetall Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Great information to have, and thanks! Like Art said! This version should be a huge seller! If it is, expect a Ranchero sometime in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Anderson Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 That's pretty much what I said...if the CAD files for the Tudor body and parts still exist, it shouldn't be hard at all to copy them, modify them in the computer as-necessary for the Del Rio wagon, and cut entirely NEW tools from the modified data, leaving the original Tudor CAD work AND dies intact. Guess I wasn't clear enough. What I hear you saying is something like "they modified the existing Tudor body tooling to do the station wagon. If that is what you meant, then I'd be almost positive that isn't what happened: Injection plastic model car kit tooling is almost universally done in hardened steel--very difficult to re-cut, re-grind that existing tooling to an all new shape. It's sort of possible to "weld up" engraved details, such as scripts, side chrome, but even that is very IFFY indeed, as it can lead to the existing tooling slides cracking, becoming useless. Any serious modification of an existing tool core or slide to make something different is very nearly as expensive as simply tooling those cores from new blocks of steel. With most all modern-made model car kit tools, the mold cores that make the body shells are almost always removable from the tool base--the portion that makes the inside surfaces of the body, AND the portion that makes all the upper surfaces can be, and often are, made to bolt into the larger mold base, while the 4 sliding cores (front, rear, left side, right side) which make the vertical suraces (they move in and out in the mold cycle, hence the term "slides" or "slide cores) are of course, separate sections of the tooling. To do a different body style, or even to change the trim level? Make new cores and slides, install in the mold base--it's that simple (but still costly!). Of course, with the change of both trim level and body style, new interior panels, and most generally, new seats have to be tooled, but then those can be done as either new tooling inserts, or just cut in an otherwise unused area of the tool base (any parts unused in a particular release of a model are simply cut away at the factory, the plastic ground up, and sent right back through the injection molding presses for still other kits--the ultimate in "recycling"!.) In any event, you can bet that the tooling for the '57 Ford Custom 2dr sedan still exists as cut. so no need to go back to the CAD's and cut it all over again for another run of Tudor's. Art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 (edited) What I hear you saying is something like "they modified the existing Tudor body tooling to do the station wagon... In any event, you can bet that the tooling for the '57 Ford Custom 2dr sedan still exists as cut. so no need to go back to the CAD's and cut it all over again for another run of Tudor's. Art Damm. While I have a great deal of respect for your knowledge and experience, read what I said again, please Art. I will add extra words to further clarify my meaning, as it seems to be eluding you. I said: The CAD FILES were probably COPIED, and the COPY of the DIGITAL CAD FILE WAS MODIFIED AS NECESSARY TO CREATE THE WAGON CAD FILE. That would leave THE ORIGINAL CAD FILE FOR THE TUDOR INTACT. Then I said: The MODIFIED CAD FILE WOULD BE USED TO CUT AN ENTIRELY NEW TOOL FOR THE WAGON. That would LEAVE THE ORIGINAL TOOLING FOR THE TUDOR INTACT AS WELL. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT MODIFYING OR "RECUTTING" EXISTING TOOLING. In fact, I SAID JUST THE OPPOSITE. It would be idiotic to modify an existing STEEL tool just to have to cut another one to replace it. I'm not an idiot. Do you understand that a CAD file can be copied and modified, just like a document in Word, and that the saved original remains unchanged?? Do you understand that the CAD files are only digital representations of the real STEEL tools? If so, what could you possibly mean by "no need to go back to the CAD's and cut it all over again for another run of Tudor's."? Though I do NOT design injection molding tooling, I DO design other types of tooling, and WE DON'T WASTE EFFORT doing things twice, un-necessarily. In composite tooling, it is also NOT DESIRABLE TO MODIFY A TOOL, for much the same reasons as you touch on regarding plastic injection tooling. If we need a change or update, we'll make a NEW MASTER, using saved data from the original...modified as necessary for the revised design...and make an entirely NEW TOOL, leaving the original intact...to be used if we need more copies of the original design. Clear this time?? Edited November 8, 2014 by Ace-Garageguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Hall Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 (edited) I guess people aren't paying attention as to how Revell does things..they have multiple body styles of other subjects with shared tooling, and continue to reissue each body style--the '59 Chevies, '59 Cadillacs, tri-five Chevies, etc...why would the '57 Fords be any different?? Edited November 8, 2014 by Rob Hall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Darby Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Well Ace, here is the area where I believe Art was trying to correct you. You said (Quote) "THE MODIFIED CAD FILE WOULD BE USED TO CUT AN ENTIRELY NEW TOOL FOR THE WAGON." (underline added by me.) What Art was saying is that with the multiple inserts that go into a model kit tool, some of these inserts can be interchanged out to make that SAME tool base do a station wagon, and even (I'd be surprised if they didn't) a Ranchero. I just hope they correct the splash pan and the too low hanging front fender bottoms (they should end at the base of the grille.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niteowl7710 Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 I'm curious as to why some people here think there's going to be more than one issuing of this wagon. I see a lot of "I'll wait till the 2nd version" in response to the 2n1 being Factory Stock & Police. Not to be Danny Downer here, but show me any other Revell re-tooled kit that itself got re-tooled, unless we're projecting out 3-5 years when this thing will invariably be put on 20" wheels and sold under the California Wheel banner. There have already been 3 (or 2 1/2 depending on your view) versions of the '57 Ford Custom - Special Edition, Model King Police Car, & Vintage NASCAR. At this point I'd expect any tooling amortization projects - READ Ranchero - will be further modified versions of the tooling. Eg I don't believe there will be say a Drag/Custom 2n1 version of the wagon in 9 months or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horsepower Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 OH my ,,,,,,do I ever like that. Especially the wheels . Are those Halibrands ? You can find a set of those wheels in Revell's snap kit of the '57 Chevy Bel-Air hardtop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 (edited) Saw the assembled test-shot at the NNL today. Looks great. Appeared to be built up on the Tudor frame rails, but I'd wager the floor, fuel tank, and some other bits are new. I didn't get a good look at the interior. Edited November 8, 2014 by Ace-Garageguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrknowetall Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Saw the assembled test-shot at the NNL today. Looks great. Appeared to be built up on the Tudor frame rails, but I'd wager the floor, fuel tank, and some other bits are new. I didn't get a good look at the interior. That's what I'm thinking. My plan is to get a basic chassis together from the sedan kit, minus the floorboard. I'll also try to lower the rolling stock a bit, and that'll be a challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddyfink Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Go on, take a look http://instagram.com/modelroundup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordRodnKustom Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Ron, that Country Squire looks nice. Are those the pieces from Holthaus? or a nice cleanup of an original bashed with a 300? Stance is perfect. Thanks. Yes those are Modelhaus resin parts combined with the Revell Ranchero kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrknowetall Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Just too cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satterwhite78 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 On the above photo.........Gentlemen, get your two tone paint scheme and BMF and let the posting begin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenGuthmiller Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 On the above photo.........Gentlemen, get your two tone paint scheme and BMF and let the posting begin! I've got 2 jars of MCW paint for '57 Ford products that I have yet to find a use for. "Silver Mocha" & "Coral Sand". This may be a good opportunity to use one of them up! Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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