2002p51 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Had that car been repaired after a practice brush with the wall and was getting new vinyl? I don't think so. Look at the first photo, the '22' on the door is undamaged and is starting to peel off. The other guy has a new '22" decal. In the second photo the old '22' is just about all peeled off and I can't see any damage. I don't remember why they were doing this work, but the key point is, if the car was clear coated they couldn't peel those numbers off like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Johnny Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I don't think so. Look at the first photo, the '22' on the door is undamaged and is starting to peel off. The other guy has a new '22" decal. In the second photo the old '22' is just about all peeled off and I can't see any damage. I don't remember why they were doing this work, but the key point is, if the car was clear coated they couldn't peel those numbers off like that. Oh but you can and I have! You just need a brand new razor blade! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbowser Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 This talk of matte finishes against gloss (paint vs. vinyl) raises another accuracy issue I keep seeing with NASCAR stock car models. I've seen more than enough Cup cars in my time, and none of them have what you'd call a mirror-gloss finish. Shiny? Yes, but not like what I see in some stock car models. Cleared decals or not, there's just something weird about a stock car model with a high-gloss finish. Again, the painted areas on a 1:1 stock car are somewhat glossy, but I'm talking about eleven coats of hand-buffed lacquer that would look more at home on a Ridler contender than a roundy-rounder. No real stock car is that glossy, but you see models of same done that way all the time. Chuck is right, race cars are not 'high gloss' hand-rubbed showroom shiny. They are just shiny enough to gleam on the racetrack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shafer Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 since it is just an opinion , I prefer to clear mine to give that high gloss look like a show car, when I show off my models to others , i like them to pop or stand out, this doent mean it is right or wrong it is just a personal prefernce, sorry if i ruffled feathers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawnh24n43 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Well you guys have me convinced, I won't post another build here. Between having my last build thread actually locked, because I was accused of it being a die cast and having to post pics to prove myself, and basically being told here that my builds really are not worth posting here because they're all wrong by being clear coated, really doesn't do much for the support and enjoyment of the hobby to me here any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbowser Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) Well you guys have me convinced, I won't post another build here. Between having my last build thread actually locked, because I was accused of it being a die cast and having to post pics to prove myself, and basically being told here that my builds really are not worth posting here because they're all wrong by being clear coated, really doesn't do much for the support and enjoyment of the hobby to me here any more. Hey Shawn, nobody here is saying your builds are wrong. The OP asked for opinions and that's what he got. I thought your #11 Fedex car was really great, no matter the material its made of. P.S. if you think this is a tough crowd try posting over at Randy Ayers site! I love to lurk there, however. Edited July 21, 2012 by bbowser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris coller Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 You know this is a hobby right? To Drew, do you know what wins contests? I can bet you dollars to donuts that nice and shiney NASCAR model with the tire decals with flat clear over them will win out over a car that has some slight orange peel with with painted raised "Goodyear" or even steciled tires. The stencils are inaccurate and to small. The decals are scaled alot closer to what the tire markings should be per era. I myself prefer a nice and shiney paint job with out the decals cleaed over to be a bit more accurate. But it is a hobby,so it is what it is and opinions will vary. I say go to a contest where either one of the magazines is covering it and see if you get it photographed. That Fed Ex car is sweet and clean. Don't let tyrants run out of a hobby or keep you from posting. This reminds me of why this board got stale to me. The way people interject their opinion just rubs me wrong. I do understand constructive criticism, but not quit sure that was this is. Keep building and have fun. The car looks good and you should be proud. One more thing, for those who questioned your abilities as to if this was a model or a diecast would be able to tell the differences if they knew what they were looking at. Have fun and I'm out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim N Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 I have not seen a debate like this since Taste's Great or Less Filling. At least those guys were joking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2002p51 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 To Drew, do you know what wins contests? Yes, I do. And it has been my experience that, in many cases, the so called "judges" knew less about the 1:1 subject than did the builder. I could site many cases of models of "NASCAR race cars" winning contests with the most bizarre features and details that never would have passed the most basic NASCAR tech inspection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake88 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I clear coat over my decals because 1. I like a shiny car look. And 2. It protects the decal and the overall finish of the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris coller Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Yes, I do. And it has been my experience that, in many cases, the so called "judges" knew less about the 1:1 subject than did the builder. I could site many cases of models of "NASCAR race cars" winning contests with the most bizarre features and details that never would have passed the most basic NASCAR tech inspection. Well then you used the most important word "judges". They dictate who wins a contest not your "accuracy" so to speak. This is a hobby, remember? Your not bitter are you? You seem to come off that way. Perhaps your relevance may be in question? I have seen your build in books and magazines and seems as though your builds lack "accuracy as well. But again this is a hobby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2002p51 Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Well then you used the most important word "judges". They dictate who wins a contest not your "accuracy" so to speak. This is a hobby, remember? Your not bitter are you? You seem to come off that way. Perhaps your relevance may be in question? I have seen your build in books and magazines and seems as though your builds lack "accuracy as well. . . . Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gluebomb1 Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 (edited) most of the top cars are fully cleared and polished out for the Daytona 500... they even made a big pre race show stating the fact and showing the cars and how the clear coating takes away all the edges of the vinyl decals. sure they don't do this for every race but they do it for that one. so to say that clearing the car is wrong is just stupid. I would clear it myself also because when the time comes that you wanna dust off your model you aint gonna wreck it if its clear coated! Edited August 1, 2012 by gluebomb1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris coller Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Really? Yes, really! This isn't the 60's or 70's or 80's. I will bust out my nascar model refference book and skim through it to refresh my memory a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmidd65 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 (edited) While this is a HOBBY and I respect everybody's opinion on the matter, I do have to side with Chris on this one. Right or wrong, my personal experience with Nascar models at contests is that the shiny cars fare better. I just recently built a Fina/Lance T-Bird box-stock for local shows here in the Carolinas. The finish on this one was more of a polished sheen than out right shiny. That model was a better build than my other "full gloss shiny" cars. My shiny cars consistently beat it at IPMS judged and crowd vote type events. Again, I am here in the heart of Nascar country and stating personal experience! On this issue, if you like em shiny with tire decals, do it! If you like them with tire stencils and no clear coats, do it! I love looking at the builds of others, no matter how they do them. I build mine both ways and have alot of fun! Edited August 2, 2012 by Kmidd65 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportandmiah Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Seeing as this thread has taken a left turn somewhere, what combination of clear coat and decals work and don't work? Im always afraid to test the watersin fear of ruining the.decals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim N Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 I use Future. It is about as inert as I have found. But having said that, I have occasionally had problems with Future reacting with decals. Unfortunately everything will at some point react negatively with decals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtx6970 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 do you know what wins contests? In most cases at the contests I used to attend ,,,,,slick and shiny would win out every time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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