69NovaYenko Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 If Dodge seemed to have taken a pause in the past couple of years while the old muscle-car rivalry between the Ford Mustang and Chevy Camaro reached new heights, it's making up for lost time with a quickness. Hot on revealing the 707-hp Dodge Challenger Hellcat for 2015, Dodge came forth today with an official proclamation: The Challenger Hellcat is the fastest factory muscle car to ever sprint a quarter-mile. Put that in your tires and smoke it. Dodge says under the auspices of the National Hot Rod Association, it timed the Challenger Hellcat at 11.2 seconds and 125 mph down the strip on stock tires — faster than any production Mustang or Camaro, excluding those purpose-built for drag racing. When Dodge swapped the stock Pirellis for drag slicks, the Hellcat made it 10.8 seconds at 126 mph. The closet competitor to the Hellcat would be a 2013 Shelby GT500 with 662 hp, which lags about 0.3 seconds behind on stock tires. You can watch the video below to see Dodge's versions of events and a run versus a 1971 Challenger for comparison. The rest of Detroit won't let itself see only the Hellcat's tail lights for long. Reveal: 2015 Challenger SRT "Hellcat"http://youtu.be/iYol7m3WjGQ Tech Review: 2015 Challenger SRT “Hellcat” http://youtu.be/Rh-z-0aeEhg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ1971 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 You're a bit late... You should really check other threads before posting, pretty much, the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakshow12 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Lol. This is thread about 7000 on this I have seen on all my boards. A ton of hype. Let's hope the final production version lives up to it : ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DynoMight Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I've actually never seen a supercharged Hemi before this hah. Cool videos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The70judgeman Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 The problem I see with Chevrolet Camaro matching or passing the factory 707hp mark is the Corvette. Only when the Corvette far surpasses that mark will the Camaro follow. I think GM doesn't allow any other GM vehicle to match or be set the same as, in other words "beat", the Corvette. Camaro's (and Firebird T/A's) always received the previous, and slightly detuned, Corvette engines. Ford, on the other hand, will probably respond fairly quickly to the Hellcat in the next couple of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakshow12 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 The only car both the Shelby guys( myself included) and the hellcat guys should fear is the upcoming C7 Z06. I already know that it takes nothing to get the 45 hp the dodge has on my car and I have already surpassed that. I added 2500 worth of parts and surpassed 750 at the tires! That's without an upper pulley swap to boot. Dodges electronics are what hold this engine back. Betting dodge has it sealed up pretty good there to keep the mod bugs out. I can't wait to see though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistermodel Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 The problem I see with Chevrolet Camaro matching or passing the factory 707hp mark is the Corvette. Only when the Corvette far surpasses that mark will the Camaro follow. I think GM doesn't allow any other GM vehicle to match or be set the same as, in other words "beat", the Corvette. Camaro's (and Firebird T/A's) always received the previous, and slightly detuned, Corvette engines. Ford, on the other hand, will probably respond fairly quickly to the Hellcat in the next couple of years. that's why corvette production was suspended when the 82 z28 came out.it was far more superior to the vette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakshow12 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 No, no that's not why but go with that if you want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Handley Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Well, the '82 Camaro could likely have been far superior, I've also heard that the preproduction '83 Vettes were so horribly bad that GM just decided not to produce an '83 model year car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Handley Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 The only car both the Shelby guys( myself included) and the hellcat guys should fear is the upcoming C7 Z06. I already know that it takes nothing to get the 45 hp the dodge has on my car and I have already surpassed that. I added 2500 worth of parts and surpassed 750 at the tires! That's without an upper pulley swap to boot. Dodges electronics are what hold this engine back. Betting dodge has it sealed up pretty good there to keep the mod bugs out. I can't wait to see though If they lock that car and engine down like did many of the Pentastar equipped vehicles, it could take some time to at least get a programmer made for it. The Avenger and 200 first got that motor in '11, but Diablosport didn't get a program to market until earlier this year. They were able to cook them up quicker for the Wrangler, Challenger, Charger, and 300, but those were going to be more popular with people who would mod the 3.6 vs the 200/Avenger and especially the Minivans and Journey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakshow12 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I hear ya on that. I remember trying to mod my 05 ram Daytona when it was new,had it 3 years and was unable to get a programmer. Lol. Word on the street is that this car has an all engine management system and it's locked up tight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Handley Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Part of the problem too is marketshare and the off chance of people wanting that ability, not as many Mopars on the roads as there are of any of the competing vehicles or of it's a not typically modded vehicle (like minivans), then if they're more difficult to hack on top of that, the manufacturers of these programmers may just figure it's not worth bothering to do so. Then you have the guys that are just too cheap to buy parts to mod vehicles too, I've heard Banks developed a turbo kit for the 4.0l XJ Cherokees to match their 4.0l TJ Wrangler kit, but chose not to produce it because most guys who mod Cherokees have built their own from junkyard parts or are too dang cheap to even do that. Same thing happened with the Sprintex Supercharger for the XJ, they made a handful for development purposes, but found there was no market for them and decided not to make them, but still do for the TJ and JK. Kinda leaves guys like me out because I'd rather have a source of prefabricated parts, if not a full kit than have to figure out what all needs to be done to make it work, then learn the skills to aftually make it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scale-Master Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Well, the '82 Camaro could likely have been far superior, I've also heard that the preproduction '83 Vettes were so horribly bad that GM just decided not to produce an '83 model year car.Actually, there was no '83 Corvette. I know some C3 '82 Corvettes were sold in '83, but they were no different than other '82s.Since the Renault Alliance won the Motor Trend Car Of The Year Award before the all new C4 was ready in '83, it was postponed as an expected shoe in for the award in '84, which it did win.The '82 Camaro earned the 1982 Car Of The Year Award. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Handley Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 From what I've heard, it probably wouldn't have been as high a quality as the Alliance was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistermodel Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 The only car both the Shelby guys( myself included) and the hellcat guys should fear is the upcoming C7 Z06. I already know that it takes nothing to get the 45 hp the dodge has on my car and I have already surpassed that. I added 2500 worth of parts and surpassed 750 at the tires! That's without an upper pulley swap to boot. Dodges electronics are what hold this engine back. Betting dodge has it sealed up pretty good there to keep the mod bugs out. I can't wait to see though is it fair to compare a challenger ,Camaro, or stang to a world class sportscar like the vette? Totally different class of automobiles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistermodel Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 From what I've heard, it probably wouldn't have been as high a quality as the Alliance was. dark days of north american cars.fastest 0 to 60 was a 2.2 charger!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Handley Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 dark days of north american cars.fastest 0 to 60 was a 2.2 charger!!!!!!!! Well, "big" engine and small car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakshow12 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 is it fair to compare a challenger ,Camaro, or stang to a world class sportscar like the vette? Totally different class of automobiles Absolutely. Everone does it. What do you thing the big 3 use as benchmarks when building halo cars? And the vette guys have no problems wanting to race our halo cars so should I be telling the next vette guy that wants a go that it's not fair cause it's not the same type of car ? Lol. I won't, I just love showing tail lights to vettes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roym Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Most powerful muscle car? Whatever happened to the 1000hp Shelby Mustang? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roym Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 http://www.slashgear.com/shelby-to-unveil-1200hp-mustang-at-new-york-auto-show-26275299/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ1971 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 (edited) Doesn't count because it's not a production vehicle by Ford. It's tuned & re-worked by Shelby. The Hellcat Challenger comes straight out of the factory with 707hp. Edited July 20, 2014 by CJ1971 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roym Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Ahh right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The70judgeman Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Jeff Dunham, yes the ventriloquist comedian and car buff, got to take a pre-production Hellcat out today and posted some pics on FB. But anyway, one pic he posted is of the key fobs. The black one limits the horsepower to 500 and the red one unleashes everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakshow12 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 You see motor trends review? It was slower in all areas compared to the 13/14 gt500. They claimed sticky tires would help it beat the Shelby but I already have sticky tires on mine so there goes that theory. Hope these hero numbers from dodge don't bite them in the butt in the real world. I can't wait to see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin T Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Jeff Dunham, yes the ventriloquist comedian and car buff, got to take a pre-production Hellcat out today and posted some pics on FB. But anyway, one pic he posted is of the key fobs. The black one limits the horsepower to 500 and the red one unleashes everything. Have you guys seen the Tumbler post about this? I would share it here but it is far from PG. Hilarious though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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