Pete J. Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Not as wicked quick as an Atom... Not that is something I'd really like to have. Just not willing to give up the Camaro or Corvette to make room for it. It sucks when your garage is too small! I had a discussion with my wife the other day and asked her what the perfect house was. She went on and on about how many bed rooms, bathrooms, and such. She then asked me what my perfect house was. My reply? A fifteen car garage with a loft. Am I asking for too much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormL Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 This popped up yesterday and has the Atom world upside down. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Replica-Kit-Makes-Ariel-Atom-Replica-Ariel-Atom-REPLICA-KIT-/121076484209?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item1c30b88871 These are the frames and parts from the ill fated Chinese factory being imported through someone in Portland. Yeah drama on the Atom forum, kind of missed the drama of old .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scale-Master Posted March 6, 2013 Author Share Posted March 6, 2013 It sucks when your garage is too small! I had a discussion with my wife the other day and asked her what the perfect house was. She went on and on about how many bed rooms, bathrooms, and such. She then asked me what my perfect house was. My reply? A fifteen car garage with a loft. Am I asking for too much? Good call on the loft. You might have to sleep there. Alone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete J. Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 This popped up yesterday and has the Atom world upside down. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Replica-Kit-Makes-Ariel-Atom-Replica-Ariel-Atom-REPLICA-KIT-/121076484209?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item1c30b88871 These are the frames and parts from the ill fated Chinese factory being imported through someone in Portland. Yeah drama on the Atom forum, kind of missed the drama of old .... I wouldn't buy one. Look at the welds and then compare them with what you see on the real deal. If I wanted something that would go as fast as an Atom, I would want a little more confidance in the fabrications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 BEAUTIFUL WORK MARK!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjordan2 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 (edited) Have you done KAR120C with dish hubcaps from "The Prisoner?" I'd love to see that. My all-time favorite TV series. The series began filming in 1966, so I assume the car is that vintage or slightly older. Edited March 6, 2013 by sjordan2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scale-Master Posted March 6, 2013 Author Share Posted March 6, 2013 I haven't done a Prisoner car yet (it is a Lotus), but I have thought about doing a modern Caterham in 1/12th taking cues from it. I doubt I would use the dog dish wheels though. And tires would be much wider too. If I were to do a true replica of it, I'd do it in 1/24th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Kourouklis Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Yup. Wheel and tire mastering work has me shaking my head... Have you done KAR120C with dish hubcaps from "The Prisoner?" I'd love to see that. My all-time favorite TV series. The series began filming in 1966, so I assume the car is that vintage or slightly older. Duuude. I madly MADLY love this series! My absolute favorite of the late '60s and possibly all time, and yes, it takes a powerhouse to knock Star Trek from that perch for me. I don't think there's ever been a single episode of network TV as intense as "Once Upon A Time", before or since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjordan2 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 (edited) Yup. Wheel and tire mastering work has me shaking my head... Duuude. I madly MADLY love this series! My absolute favorite of the late '60s and possibly all time, and yes, it takes a powerhouse to knock Star Trek from that perch for me. I don't think there's ever been a single episode of network TV as intense as "Once Upon A Time", before or since. Complete history and episode guide: http://www.amazon.com/Prisoner-Dave-Rogers/dp/1566191637/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1362604917&sr=1-2&keywords=the+prisoner+dave+rogers The shows are available on DVD and on Hulu at The Prisoner 1967. The recent remake was weak. The Lotus only appeared in the first episode and the finale, but was in the same titles in all episodes. Edited March 6, 2013 by sjordan2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scale-Master Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share Posted March 7, 2013 Many are online. Full episodes, uncut, no commercials: The Prisoner Episode 01 Arrival http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuCCgQsyq8s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Kourouklis Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 (edited) The remake was good for one thing: a concurrent blu ray release of the original! Which I absolutely bothered with. Unlike the remake itself, which I kinda, uh, didn't. Edited March 7, 2013 by Chuck Kourouklis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjordan2 Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Mark -- is it possible to build an accurate 1966 Prisoner car with the 1/12 Caterham? Or does it need to be the small-scale Tamiya? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scale-Master Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share Posted March 7, 2013 Define "possible"... says the guy completely scratch-building one... Even with the full wing / fendered 1/12 Caterham which is visually closest looking to the Prisoner car from the three available kits, a LOT of things would have to be modified to make it into a Lotus of that vintage. Think of it as akin to trying to make a 1970 Challenger replica using a 2012 Challenger kit. The best choice is to do it in 1/24, the Tamiya kit would be a great start with the main change I see being the wheels. The kit rims are similar, but to capture that car I think they'd need to be replaced. I think the kit tires, while not exactly the same, are probably close enough. Or, you could just make a new set of tires too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RancheroSteve Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Define "possible"... says the guy completely scratch-building one... The best choice is to do it in 1/24, the Tamiya kit would be a great start with the main change I see being the wheels. The kit rims are similar, but to capture that car I think they'd need to be replaced. I think the kit tires, while not exactly the same, are probably close enough. Or, you could just make a new set of tires too... I believe the Prisoner car has Lotus Elan wheels, correct? (I think you may have told me that yourself, Mark). I've wanted to do a Prisoner Lotus forever - I've got the Tamiya 1/24 kit and recently picked up a Gunze Elan for the wheels. I'm going to end up casting at least one wheel (for the spare) - or maybe five if I don't want to end up with a wheel-less Elan kit. And by the way, what's the correct color for the Prisoner car? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete J. Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 And by the way, what's the correct color for the Prisoner car? That would be black, white and shades of gray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scale-Master Posted March 8, 2013 Author Share Posted March 8, 2013 And by the way, what's the correct color for the Prisoner car? I think is just BRG overall. I thought the nose was yellow, (I would use Testors Dark Yellow). But a good friend of mine seems confident the nose is bright orange. Could be the difference in T.V. and computer monitors...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeeBee Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 I believe the Prisoner car has Lotus Elan wheels, correct? (I think you may have told me that yourself, Mark). I've wanted to do a Prisoner Lotus forever - I've got the Tamiya 1/24 kit and recently picked up a Gunze Elan for the wheels. I'm going to end up casting at least one wheel (for the spare) - or maybe five if I don't want to end up with a wheel-less Elan kit. And by the way, what's the correct color for the Prisoner car? The original Prisoner car was black with a yellow nose, the wheels are correct out of the Gunze Elan, but use the hubcaps from the Tamiya version, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjordan2 Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 (edited) The color scheme is typical Lotus -- yellow nose, dark green overall (tends to look black), with a red interior, which you can see in post #232. Some more pictures and background: http://www.theunmutual.co.uk/lotus7.htm According to one source, "The real KAR 120C had been Cosworth 1500 powered." Is that the engine in the Tamiya kit? If not, where would you find one? EDIT: I answered my own question. "The Lotus Super Seven, modelled here by Tamiya was powered by a Ford Cosworth 4 cylinder 1.3 liter engine using two dual throated Weber carburetors, which produced 83 BHP at 6000 RPM." Nice build journal describing the Tamiya kit: http://www.modelersite.com/Dic2012/English/Lotus7_eng.htm Sorry to hijack. Now, back to this scratch-built masterpiece. Edited March 8, 2013 by sjordan2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scale-Master Posted March 8, 2013 Author Share Posted March 8, 2013 (edited) Well, there you go Skip. You can use the Tamiya 1/12 Caterham to build a copy of the limited edition Prisoner car. It would pretty much just be a paint job and some license plates. But to me it does not capture the svelte or vintage look of the T.V show car. The 1/24th kit has the 1300 engine. I am not familiar enough with those particular engines to know if it looks the same as the 1500, (like a smalll block Chevy can be a 302, 327, 350... in scale without changing the parts). Edited March 8, 2013 by Scale-Master Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 I had an S2 with a 1340 Cosworth (Ford 109E) pushrod engine, which is not a crossflow. From the pix I've seen, the 1500 Cos is plenty close enough to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjordan2 Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Here's the Tamiya engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Cosworth 1500 pushrod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scale-Master Posted March 8, 2013 Author Share Posted March 8, 2013 Anyone have a shot of the 1500 engine handy that they can post ? It would be nice to do a "head to head" comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeeBee Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Well, there you go Skip. You can use the Tamiya 1/12 Caterham to build a copy of the limited edition Prisoner car. It would pretty much just be a paint job and some license plates. But to me it does not capture the svelte or vintage look of the T.V show car. The 1/24th kit has the 1300 engine. I am not familiar enough with those particular engines to know if it looks the same as the 1500, (like a smalll block Chevy can be a 302, 327, 350... in scale without changing the parts). The 1500 had a slightly taller block, but in 1/24th scale your not going to notice the difference, the Cosworth 1340 was a short sroke version of the Ford 997 c.c engine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scale-Master Posted March 8, 2013 Author Share Posted March 8, 2013 Steve, looks to me the needed parts to make an accurate (to the eye) Prisoner car in 1/24 are all there. You'll still have to make license plates. Thanks for playing along guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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