ARTEMIS1759 Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Need these wheels but I think I may have to buy this truck and scavenge them. Wonder if anybody would make a resin set of these for me if I buy the kit so I don't have the diecast with no wheels? Other people would prob buy them. Someone should also make a photoetch wrecker kit with all the accessories. I may make a Texaco Decal kit for this truck for more wreck decals. I would probably buy a few sets of the wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 I think SJS Details used to make a '50s style wrecker body, but they are long out of business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemodeler Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Check with The Modelhaus, they have some older truck wheels and they may be what you are looking for. I don't have a picture but maybe someone else does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Most Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 The Modelhaus wheels don't look quite like those, but they would be appropriate for such a vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluhead Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 I would definitely be interested in that particular wheel. However, those shown are not very accurate. They look too small in diameter, and the holes are too large. I think it was a Danbury Mint piece that I saw that had an accurate version, but I can't locate it atm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmvw guy Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 (edited) http://s1181.photobu...esktop/4-10-12/ The Danbury Mint version. Edited April 12, 2012 by rmvw guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpius1 Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 (edited) Looks pretty easy to do in resin but who would buy it? I'm always on the lookout for ideas for new products to make in resin but am currently stumbling around in the dark when it comes to Model Car stuff. This one looks like a straightforward one to Master but where in the heck would ya get the correct dimensions? The wheels would be a problem though. Edited April 16, 2012 by Scorpius1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Anderson Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 I would assume one would master this vintage tow truck body to fit the AMT '50 Chevy pickup. However, it's more than a tow truck body and boom, with 1.5 ton truck wheels and tires: For starters, actual tow trucks back then were built on 1.5-ton medium-duty truck chassis, given that automobiles by the late 1940's were past the 3000lb mark for low-priced cars such as Chevies, Fords, Plymouths, Nashes and Studebakers. Mid-priced cars and of course the luxury cars had already passed the 4,000lb mark, and when raising one end of such a car as with a tow hook, the wrecker is actually hauling well over half the weight of the car being towed--way overweight for a 1/2 ton pickup. The quick (but not inexpensive) fix for this is to use the chassis, engine, driveline and wheels & tires from the Italeri Opel Blitz 1.5 ton truck. Opel was GM-owned, the Blitz chassis etc. being identical to the Chevrolet/GMC 1.5 ton trucks built in the US from 1936-66. Even the wheels are a very good match to the ones on the Danbury Mint Chevy wrecker shown above. The front fenders will need to be widened to reach out over the front tires, but that's not hard to do. To be correct, the hood and fenders also need to be stretched a bit (finding the Bumper-Back of Cab dimensions for both the pickup and the ton and a half should be fairly easy as well). As for the wrecker body--copying that with sheet styrene should not be a huge problem--flat sheet stock with some strip stock will get you there. Of course, you will have to decide what style boom(s) use and scratchbuild them as well. Art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpius1 Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Very informative Art! Gets the old gears grinding. probably why my wife is running for the fire extinguisher. Too much smoke coming out of my ears! Does sound like the kit would have to be all resin and not a Conversion. But again, who would buy it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodah Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 I would buy the wheels and the cab in a heartbeat. Been looking for a 1.5 ton Chevy for ages now. And I love those wheels! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve7119 Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 I would be interested in this kit too. Is the Italeri Opel truck stil available? I have seen it used a number of times for various trucks, but where can you get it? Does Italeri still offer it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpius1 Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Ha ha, just got a Blitz Truck and wheels! Cab is no biggy. Time to get to work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluhead Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Yep, that's the one, Ron. I'd love to have a handful or two of those wheels and tires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpius1 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Well, getting close to opening day of the new resin line. Might as well start off with a bang! The two-piece tire molds are a bear to get right but the results are worth the extra trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpius1 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 By the way, does anyone know where I can find 1/25 scale Photo-Etched treadplate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodah Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 If you're talking Diamond plate, the only stuff I've come across has been like, 1/16th or 1/48th "O-Scale" the o-scale actually doesn't look too shabby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eshaver Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Robie , Plastruct makes a decent Vacuum formed plastic tread plate in several scales sizes . I've had good luck with the product . Ed Shaver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpius1 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Thanks for the info Ed, I'll be sure to pick some up. By the way, I sent you an email yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbox55 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 The truck shown in the first post, which is a Welly, and the Danbury are both 3800 1 tons. I can't speak for the accuracy of the Danbury as far as wheel dimensions, but the Welly does measure out to be accurate for the 18" wheel with a 7.00-18 tire that the Advanced Design dual wheel 1 tons used. As Art mentions, though, most tow trucks from that era were built on at least a 1.5 ton truck, sometimes even 2 ton trucks were used. A 1 ton would be the absolute minimum size truck you would want to use, even then, you don't really see two trucks that small until the '60s. Here's the specifications for the 1950 Chevrolet truck line, covering all models from 1/2 through 2 ton. http://www.gmheritagecenter.com/gm-heritage-archive/docs/Chevrolet-Trucks/1950-Chevrolet-Truck.pdf I would like to point out a few things about using the Blitz for a 1.5 or 2 ton conversion, as it is not a straight up chassis swap. As mntioned, the front fenders will need to be widened, as well as lengthened with the hood. I beleive the dimension is about 4" wider, and roughly the same for length. The frame and running gear from the Blitz, while similar in basic design, is different from the US market trucks. There is a difference in wheelbase, with the Blitz fitting in between the shortest Chevrolet 4100/6100 (130 inch) and the longer 4400/6400 (154 inch). The steering box is also in the wrong place for a Chevrolet. Opel mounts it ahead of the axle, GM put it behind the axle. The wheels are also have the incorrect bolt pattern, the have a very large 8 lug pattern. The US trucks used a 5 lug on front, 10 on rear (the wheels all have 10 lug holes). All of these are easy to correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpius1 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Thank you very much for the info. Doesn't sound too terribly difficult, just extra work. Looks like I'll have alot of research yet to do on this project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbox55 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 http://chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com/shop/1948_51truck/index.htm Here's some more research material you might find handy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTEMIS1759 Posted April 22, 2012 Author Share Posted April 22, 2012 (edited) Looks pretty easy to do in resin but who would buy it? I'm always on the lookout for ideas for new products to make in resin but am currently stumbling around in the dark when it comes to Model Car stuff. This one looks like a straightforward one to Master but where in the heck would ya get the correct dimensions? The wheels would be a problem though. I am working on building the whole body and possibly casting my own wheels if you would be interested in molds for them. I plan to accurately detail the truck so I could tell you what accessories I built or bought to do it. Generally I think the wheels were 18.5 or 19.5" which I could find out. I was actually looking for the model with the yellow wheels but could not figure out who made it because I knew they were more accurate. I also knew it was a 4100 series truck. Which has the same body as a regular pickup but HD running gear and frame. Also I was thinking that most trucks used a twin holmes boom setup that I see unless it was scratch built. There were other companies but holmes seemed to be the most popular. I had to put the truck on the back burner though for another build. The holmes setup is very similar to the ones on the pics. If you get any of this finished PM me so I won't have to scratch build so much Edited April 22, 2012 by ARTEMIS1759 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbox55 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 The Danbury Mint tow truck (the one with the yellow wheels) is a 3800 series 1 ton, note the 8 lug wheels and standard truck doghouse. The 4100 was a 1 1/2 ton, and would have the wider front fenders, longer hood, and 5 lug front and 10 lug rear 20" wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpius1 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Thanks for the updates Guys, looks like this will be a longer project than I thought but a fun one none the less. I'm still gathering info and took a good long look at the large scale Opel Blitz kit. It's starting to look like the Blitz parts aren't going to work very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugace Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 (edited) If searching for a Blitz, try Model Empire. Consider the amount of parts You could use from that kit, it will not be much more expencive then a resincasting. Also RMR might help with wheels. Edited May 1, 2012 by Bugace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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