Monogram Classics

[imatt88]

aaron,

Yup, I' ve seen some people try to sell their built stuff for ungodly amounts of money, problem is, people are willing to pay it

Skip,

I could use some info on colors, engine colors, interior, exterior, that sort of thing. I just picked up a '31 Rolls Phantom coupe (the black one), that needs some TLC, but it was never painted.

I've noticed that the older Monogram instruction sheets are lacking somewhat on paint color callouts.

But, they're still way cool

Cheers, Ian

[sjordan2]

aaron,

Yup, I' ve seen some people try to sell their built stuff for ungodly amounts of money, problem is, people are willing to pay it

Skip,

I could use some info on colors, engine colors, interior, exterior, that sort of thing. I just picked up a '31 Rolls Phantom coupe (the black one), that needs some TLC, but it was never painted.

I've noticed that the older Monogram instruction sheets are lacking somewhat on paint color callouts.

But, they're still way cool

Cheers, Ian

Do you mean the Monogram 31 Rolls convertible? If so, this should get you started. Please let me know what other information you may need.

ROLLS PHANTOM II LINKS

RREC COLOR SCHEMES

http://www.rrec.org.uk/Cars/Coachwork/Colour_Schemes.php

Singen 1931 Murphy Roadster

http://www.autosalon-singen.de/en/archiv-Rolls%20Royce%20Phantom%20II.html?fahrzeugid=08880_0015_09_09&back=%2Fen%2Fbilder-archiv0.html%3Fmarke%3DRolls%2BRoyce

http://www.autosalon-singen.de/en/bilder-archiv-liste.html?marke=Rolls+Royce&modell=20%2F25&back=%2Fen%2Fbilder-archiv0.html%3Fmarke%3DRolls%2BRoyce

Google rolls henley brewster

http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1350&bih=732&q=rolls+henley+brewster&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2&oq=rolls+henley+brewster&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=2539l7807l0l11452l21l21l0l13l13l0l196l1021l3.5l8l0

Edited August 27, 2011 by sjordan2

[imatt88]

Skip,

Thanks for the links. I've already saved a few pics to my favorites

Cheers, Ian

[Modelmartin]

I think the interior on the blue car was that color. I had a few pics of it. The headlights are probably off of the Heller also.

I built the Jo-Han coupe also and I thought it went very well. The key is finding an older release with the Gold-cup logo on it. The tooling was much better condition. The only thing I changed was the ride height in the rear. i thought it was too high out of the box.

I have always picked up classic car kits over the years when I saw them cheap. I have rarely paid more than $10 or $15 for complete kits. I paid a bit more for Monogram metal kits. I have stacks of parts cars too. Too many actually! I will probably start throwing some of them on Ebay soon. I think have at least 10-12 Duesenbergs kicking around and 3 or 4 Gangbusters Lincoln roadsters.

[sjordan2]

Well, I just received a back-up version of the Jo-Han Mercedes 500K Special Coupe to fill in the missing parts from my original Gold Cup version, and this later issue (as I was warned above) isn't as nicely molded as the original and has a lot more flash. Also, it doesn't solve the body problems because I wanted to keep the original burgundy body color and this one is bright red.

[imatt88]

Hey guys,

While we are on the subject of classic cars, does anyone remember the article in Fine Scale Modeler from the late '80's or early '90's about the Rolls Royce pickup truck that was based on a vehicle that was featured in a book he read..?

It was interesting to say the least...I think the Rolls "truck" was painted metallic blue, or something like that..

It would be a cool conversion, for sure

Cheers, Ian

[Art Anderson]

Hey guys,

While we are on the subject of classic cars, does anyone remember the article in Fine Scale Modeler from the late '80's or early '90's about the Rolls Royce pickup truck that was based on a vehicle that was featured in a book he read..?

It was interesting to say the least...I think the Rolls "truck" was painted metallic blue, or something like that..

It would be a cool conversion, for sure

Cheers, Ian

Well,

There was a Duesenberg owner in suburban Chicago, who at the outset of WW-II and gasoline rationing, transferred ownership of his 1930 Model J Berline (a semi-formal sedan body style) to a farm he owned in Illinois. He then paid a body shop to cut down the body into a luxurious truck cab, and had the thing fitted with a stake body--that gave him access to an A gas rationing sticker, meaning unlimited gasoline for agricultural use (the car has since been restored).

The late Lee Baker modeled that "Duesenberg Truck", which made any Cadillac Truck seem plebian by comparison!

Art

[sjordan2]

Hey guys,

While we are on the subject of classic cars, does anyone remember the article in Fine Scale Modeler from the late '80's or early '90's about the Rolls Royce pickup truck that was based on a vehicle that was featured in a book he read..?

It was interesting to say the least...I think the Rolls "truck" was painted metallic blue, or something like that..

It would be a cool conversion, for sure

Cheers, Ian

Apparently, Rolls had factory pickups that they used to deliver aircraft parts, including Merlin engines, during WWII. The Vintage Garage, a Rolls restoration company, used a Phantom III to replicate one.

[sjordan2]

Here's a one-of-a-kind factory truck, #4AF4, a Phantom IV built in 1950 and scrapped in 1963.

[sjordan2]

Those cars a absolutely magnificent.

Has any one saw the new Captain America movie?

I'm not sure of the make of the car the nazies have but it sure could run.

One of those kits could be used for a reproduction of that car.

But i do not know what model the car was in the movie.

Here is the only pic i could find.

Most of the vehicles in Captain America were created specifically for the movie by ex-Bugatti designer Daniel Simon. They're not cars that existed before

Edited August 7, 2012 by Casey

[imatt88]

I haven't seen Capt America yet, but that Mercedes looking car is pretty sweet! Resin, anyone?

Skip, I like that RAF Phantom IV pickup. That would be a different build, for sure

I'd call it, as the British would say, Rolls Royce Phantom Mk. IV

Cheers, Ian

[Aaronw]

If you can live with 1/35 Dragon / Cyber Hobby is supposed to be doing a plastic kit of Hitler's 6 wheel Mercedes armored limo.

http://www.militarymodelling.com/news/article.asp?a=8089

On the RR pickup, I remember seeing an Australian movie years ago about a brother and sister inheriting a mine from a wealthy relative, but not actually having the cash to operate it. They cut up the RR or Bently they also received to build a truck for the mine. (I don't remember why they didn't just sell it and buy a truck).

[Hippie]

it seemed that you guys have moved on to different things but here is some info on the original topic.

on the first page harry posted a link showing a metal master dusenberg

this is a rare kit that came with a metal body the concept was that you polished the metal on the top on the body while painting the rest. a few of the 1:1 dusenbergs were done with polished aluminum ascents.

i built this a year ago after obtained the kit from a family member that had had it since new.

the fit wasn't good but it was beautiful finished. i have since researched the metal masters line of kits and have learned that they were done in 2 series. first a dusenberg as pictured above, and a 16 cylinder

Cadillac these are almost imposable to find, at least i haven't been very successful

later another set was done, the set included a t-bird, a 52 vette, and a mg-tc

the t-bird and the vette are not very rare and average 40 bucks the mg- tc isn't rare ether but not as coman. i manged to find one at the last swap meet.

showing on the back is the other in the set

and here is the parts notice the metal body

the kits were to hard for kids to build and were disconnected fast. to be honest i had a hard time building it too.

but monogram tried the same concept a while later but in a different form. keeping the metal masters name. they came out with a few dusenberg the kits were all plastic but every part was silver plated( not chrome they rely are silver its more dull then usual chrome) with gold chrome instead of normal chrome. These kits are quite conman on ebay. here is my example.

and see everything is actuality chrome or gold.

thanks for looking and i hope i didn't bore any one.

[philo426]

Speaking of metal kits.Here is a Hubley Packard I just re-built!

[Ddms]

I'm building an old Monogram "Mercedes Classic Coupe" from Monogram - it's a 540K. Has anybody ever built one of these, or the roadster version?

There's there are a couple of things that really have me stumped.

1) I can't figure out where to mount the fan/belt/pulley assembly. The instructions don't show it clearly. The one-piece fanbelt assembly has two holes on the back. One is behind the pulley, and it logically would fit over a pin on the front of the camshaft housing. But there's NO MATCHING PIN for the hole on the back of the fan. There's a 1/16" gap between the fan and the front cover. Makes no sense; it just hangs out there. How is the assembly supposed to be attached to the front of the motor?

2) There's a similar problem with the cam/intake manifold assembly. The two ends of the u-shaped manifold tube seem intended to fit into holes in the block, but there aren't any holes for it! How does that little assembly attach to the block? Seems unlikely they'd want the modeler to drill holes to mount a part.

I've got photos of the engines on real 540k's, but nothing seems to match.

[philo426]

I built one.No problems!

[sjordan2]

I built one.No problems!

If it had a blue interior, this would be one that just sold last year for over $9 million at auction.

[philo426]

Yes it is special!

[DanR]

Anyone have any tips for building these? The multi-piece body looks like it needs to be built around the interior, but this will create problems with filling seams and overall painting. Can the body be assembled first?

[sjordan2]

Anyone have any tips for building these? The multi-piece body looks like it needs to be built around the interior, but this will create problems with filling seams and overall painting. Can the body be assembled first?

What particular kit do you want to know about? Most of the Monogram kits don't need to have seams filled because the pieces are cut where the real cars had them, and in certain areas were filled with a cord seal (such as where the fenders meet the body shell). You may find a few mold lines that just need a little sanding. Pretty simple: 1-piece fender/frame part; 1 main body shell part; hood may or may not have multiple pieces for folding open. Generally straightforward, with no worries about installing the interior.

One exception is the Monogram Mercedes 540K Coupe, which requires more work because the hardtop is a separate piece that mates to the main body and needs putty filler where they meet. If you're in search of total accuracy, both the 540K Cabriolet and Coupe have the wrong louvers on the hood, and front fenders are for a 540K Special Roadster, not for either of these cars. You can see what they should look like in Erik Olijnsma's build of the Testors-Italeri 540K Cabriolet C:

http://www.modelcars...showtopic=63839

Edited October 4, 2012 by sjordan2

[unclescott58]

Question about Monogram's Deusenberg SJ Roadster/Convertible. Was this kit modeled after a real (1:1) car? From what I'm seeing about the kit, it supose to be Rolston bodied car. Is it? I can find nothing in any of my books, or on the web indicating that Rolston (or is it Rollston?) ever offered this body style. Plenity of info and photos of a Convertible Victoria they built. But nothing on a Convertible Roadster. So, is Monogram's model based on a real car or not? Or is like their '33 SJ Murphy bodied Town Car, which is really modeled after a 1930 Model J Murphy Town Car? But, they made it a '33 SJ because their other Duesenberg models were already '33 SJs, to save on tooling.

Real or not, I do like the looks of Monogram's 1933 Duesenberg SJ "Rolston" roadster. And still hope to some day to build one. But, still I wonder? Is it based on real 1:1 car or not?

That brings up questions about of the other Monogram Classic Cars. From reading the previous attached posts, it sounds like Monogram's Mercedes 540K Coupe my not be based on a real car. That they just took their 540K Convertible and added a top that made it look close to a real 1:1 car. Is this the case? And if so, what about the other Monogram Classics? Which are based on real cars? And which are not?

R. Scott Aho

[sjordan2]

Question about Monogram's Deusenberg SJ Roadster/Convertible. Was this kit modeled after a real (1:1) car? From what I'm seeing about the kit, it supose to be Rolston bodied car. Is it? I can find nothing in any of my books, or on the web indicating that Rolston (or is it Rollston?) ever offered this body style. Plenity of info and photos of a Convertible Victoria they built. But nothing on a Convertible Roadster. So, is Monogram's model based on a real car or not? Or is like their '33 SJ Murphy bodied Town Car, which is really modeled after a 1930 Model J Murphy Town Car? But, they made it a '33 SJ because their other Duesenberg models were already '33 SJs, to save on tooling.

Real or not, I do like the looks of Monogram's 1933 Duesenberg SJ "Rolston" roadster. And still hope to some day to build one. But, still I wonder? Is it based on real 1:1 car or not?

That brings up questions about of the other Monogram Classic Cars. From reading the previous attached posts, it sounds like Monogram's Mercedes 540K Coupe my not be based on a real car. That they just took their 540K Convertible and added a top that made it look close to a real 1:1 car. Is this the case? And if so, what about the other Monogram Classics? Which are based on real cars? And which are not?

R. Scott Aho

I can only comment on the 540K coupe, which sold for a few million last year. The monogram kit, like the Cabriolet, is loaded with errors/choices that aren't correct for any real car. But the Monogram can be slightly "accurized" using parts from the Testors/Italeri 540K. For a lengthy discussion and more images, go back to page 4, post 64.

More 1:1 shots here:

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/4887/Mercedes-Benz-540-K-Spezial-Coupe.html

Edited December 12, 2012 by sjordan2

[Edsel-Dan]

I built the 56 T-Bird Back when new. I have little trouble with it.

(But then I could also do Revell's Full featured 55-57 Chevies that many claimed could not be built!)

I haev to restore it someday. I have a second of the Diecast body version too.

A friend has the plastic kit that is became.

I Do not recall this series being called "Metal MASTER though.

The Box art does Not state that. It Does state Diecast Metal and plastic, But not Metal Master.

Only the Plated plastic kit were called Metal Master on the box.

I have one of the Classic's. (I think the Duesnburg Pheaton I need to check)

and on of the HO scale Hudson Locomotives that Monogram sold the tooling to Heljan/Con Cor

[Terry Jessee]

In the Car Modeler annual from 2001, I did a story called "The Veteran Motorcar" about antique and classic car kits, including Monogram's entire series. Here's a couple of unusual antiques that I like.

http://www.fotki.com'>Hosted on Fotki

This is a kit of the "1877" (though not really) Selden Patent Wagon. George Selden patented the concept of automobile in 1879, so that everyone who built an automobile had to pay him a royalty. Henry Ford broke the patent in 1911. In response to Ford's suit, Selden had to build a working example from the original patent blueprints. This is a 1/24 scale model of that vehicle.

It was produced by a Los Angeles company called Mod-Ac in 1946. So what you're looking at is one of the oldest 1/24 scale kits of one of the earliest automobiles.

http://www.fotki.com'>Hosted on Fotki

This is an 1886 Benz Patent Motorwagen (correct German spelling). This is one of the oldest "practical" automobiles, and it still exists. I've seen video of it running. Must be a great ride. This 1/24 scale model was a promotional produced by Minichamps for M-B's 100th anniversary.

http://www.fotki.com'>Hosted on Fotki

This is an 1886 Daimler Motor Carriage. It's another M-B/Minichamps promo in 1/24 scale.

http://www.fotki.com'>Hosted on Fotki

And this is an Airfix 1904 Darracq. First produced in about 1955, it went through various releases (including an MPC "hot rod" version). It's listed as 1/32 but is actually 1/24.5 or thereabouts.

http://www.fotki.com'>Hosted on Fotki

You can see here that it compares very well with an AMT 1925 Ford Model T.

Love them old cars....

Terry

[charlie8575]

We really need more models of brass-era and capital C classics available. Those things are just cool, and I can see them coming out as marvels in the hands of a very diverse group of builders from Geoff Brown and Tom Elliffret to Chuck Most and Dr. Cranky.

Charlie Larkin