gtx6970 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Are the 60 Ford or Mercury dealership promos stryene or that cycolac material ? I am looking at one and it show no signs or warps is why I am asking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badluck 13 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Wow I would love to find a '60 Ford promo with no warping I have 8 of them from 2dr Starliner to sedan and wagon and all are warped to some degree however the two 2dr's have the least amount of warping.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Anderson Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Are the 60 Ford or Mercury dealership promos stryene or that cycolac material ? I am looking at one and it show no signs or warps is why I am asking All 1960 Promo's, those made by both AMT and Hubley (both companies produced 1960 Fords) were molded in Tenite, which is acetate plastic. Acetate was used simply because it was the only "shatter-proof" plastic at the time (and plastic had a bad reputation for breaking easily). As such, those 1960 promotional model cars have always been subject to warping, due both to shrinkage of the acetate unevenly due to the stresses fixed in them from injection molding, and reaction with humidit. Art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtx6970 Posted March 17, 2015 Author Share Posted March 17, 2015 We're factory promos metal chassis or detailed plastic chassis cars. The one I'm looking at is a convertible with a metal chassis. And shows no signs of warping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Anderson Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 We're factory promos metal chassis or detailed plastic chassis cars. The one I'm looking at is a convertible with a metal chassis. And shows no signs of warping From my memory, certainly through the 1959 Model year. It seems to me that AMT began using molded plastic chassis, with at least rudimentary detail engraved in the tooling by 1962. Art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodent Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Art, It is interesting that you cite humidity as one of the reasons that promos warped. Around the time I was in my late 20s, I decided to buy a promo from the year of my birth. I settled on a reasonably cheap Comet, and imprisoned it in a (Jo-Han?) case right away. I just pried it out and took these pictures. I don't know where it lived before I bought it, but I live in relatively dry Northern California. [url=http://s161.photobucket.com/user/sja522/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150317_175110.jpg.html] [url=http://s161.photobucket.com/user/sja522/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150317_175053.jpg.html] [url=http://s161.photobucket.com/user/sja522/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150317_175038.jpg.html] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Anderson Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Steve, By and large, the straightest acetate promo's I've seen have come from the drier climates in the west and southwest US. Art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodent Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I would say that this car has zero warp. If anything, it may have less warp than it did in 1988. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclescott58 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I have a beautiful '60 Galaxie Town Victiora promo. It's got some minor warpage. In fact it looks like it was slightly t-boned on one side. But to me it's still exceptable. My understanding is exposer to light is what does them in. Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtx6970 Posted March 18, 2015 Author Share Posted March 18, 2015 This is the car I am looking at. The metal chassis has me wondering whats up. In the pictures I cant make up my mind if the left fender has warp to it or not. It certaintly seems straight down the sides and the body doesnt have the huge curl in the middle of it like most I've seen. But every other one I've looked at has a detailed plastic chassis http://www.ebay.com/itm/351340348215?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclescott58 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) This is the car I am looking at. The metal chassis has me wondering whats up. In the pictures I cant make up my mind if the left fender has warp to it or not. It certaintly seems straight down the sides and the body doesnt have the huge curl in the middle of it like most I've seen. But every other one I've looked at has a detailed plastic chassis http://www.ebay.com/itm/351340348215?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT The reason the model your looking at has a metal chassis rather than a plastic one, is that it is not a true "promo". It's a prebuilt friction model sold to be used as a toy. Some people do not put as high of a value on fictions vs. promos. Mainly because of the chassis. Promos, for the most part, had the more the detailed plastic chassis, and in most cases were painted in factory correct colors. Frictions have the simpler chassis with the fiction motor in them. And can be found either not painted or in non factory color. And then there are the promos with the radio. The model your looking at looks okay. Other than the broken sun visor. If you plan on fixing it up and painting it, it should be okay at that price. Scott Edited March 18, 2015 by unclescott58 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenGuthmiller Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 It doesn't look too bad for one of these old promos Bill, but I'm definitely seeing some warpage issues in a few areas other than the "concave" door. The top of the front fender on the drivers side is showing a dip in the center which tells me that the whole front end is warping "upward" which you see a lot on these. Also there looks to be some issues with the rear bumper & the surrounding body area. That could be an issue to try to get looking right. If it were me, I'd skip it & look for a styrene '60 Ford. I've seen a lot of them on ebay. Must have been one of the more popular kits in '60. Just my opinion, but then again, I never buy promos. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtx6970 Posted March 18, 2015 Author Share Posted March 18, 2015 I thought it looked like something was wrong in the ft fender. The visor didn't bother me at all. But the metal chassis was throwing me off and it definitely wasn't as warped as most promos I've seen from the era. I decided to pass and find an annual kit builtup instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disabled modeler Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I have a few older promos....all need something...work/parts....love restoring them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisBcritter Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 This looks like another case of the plastic shrinking more than warping - some models get all banana-shaped (if that Ford was a Starliner, for example) and others (like some '55 Buick Roadmaster sedans and '55-'56 Dodges I've seen) stay relatively straight but shrink overall so the bumpers are 1/4" too wide and the wheelbase is too long. If I had that '60 Comet I'd be shopping it around to resin casters - it's the straightest one I've ever seen! (Wonder if it might be a very early Cycolac prototype?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenGuthmiller Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I thought it looked like something was wrong in the ft fender. The visor didn't bother me at all. But the metal chassis was throwing me off and it definitely wasn't as warped as most promos I've seen from the era. I decided to pass and find an annual kit builtup instead. There's a pretty nice one on ebay right now, (item # 381196151286) @ $22.00 right now. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodent Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 If I had that '60 Comet I'd be shopping it around to resin casters - it's the straightest one I've ever seen! (Wonder if it might be a very early Cycolac prototype?) It never occurred to me that a 60 Comet would be of interest to a resin caster. So, as far as the "full size" '60 Fords go, both Hubley and AMT made both kits and promos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Anderson Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 It never occurred to me that a 60 Comet would be of interest to a resin caster. So, as far as the "full size" '60 Fords go, both Hubley and AMT made both kits and promos? AMT produced Galaxie 500 hardtop and convertible in promo form. Hubley (1/24 scale) made the Galaxie 4dr sedan and a 4dr station wagon. Art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 AMT also made a '60 Galaxie four-door hardtop promo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodent Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 The kits were made by? And they were styrene? You really old guys have to excuse me.i spent the first half of 1960 swimming in a 98.6 degree bag of fluid and didn't get my first promo until Christmas. Didn't get my first kit until 1967. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Anderson Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 The kits were made by? And they were styrene? You really old guys have to excuse me.i spent the first half of 1960 swimming in a 98.6 degree bag of fluid and didn't get my first promo until Christmas. Didn't get my first kit until 1967. Both Hubley and AMT made styrene plastic model kits that utililized the bodies, chrome parts chassis and "glass" from their promo's--after all, that's where the concept of the 3in1 Customizing Model Car kits originated--making workable model kits from promotional model car tooling. Art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disabled modeler Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) I have these... 63 Galaxie convertible...glass and post gone. 61 Ford wagon...body,glass,bumpers shot. 63 Galaxie 2door HT square roof...body shot. got to restore these someday. I have had a lot of them with warped or crazed bodies...some beyond belief. I am always looking for more and some of the snap or promo like ones Johan,Hubley,AMT made. Edited March 20, 2015 by disabled modeler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) Because, Cycolac. I found in interesting that Cyclolac as still being used in 1968, but with the mention of Marbon Chemical on the box, which, IIRC, was one of the partners in the AMT Speed & Custom shop/projects, and what the bodies of the Piranha(s) was(were) molded from. Edited February 11, 2021 by Casey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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