hjracing Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Hello! Anyone have try using Alclad crome in place of BMF. I do my firts BMF job and is really hard to have the small lines of crome moldings cover enough and even using a brand new Xacto is hard not to scracht the pain job. Thanks in advance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxer Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 This is possible but the masking will replace the troubles you mention as the tough part. If you feel the masking is no problem, go for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 I have used Alclad instead of BMF on several models. The window trim on the Corvette below is Alclad. Danger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillyb1 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Roger makes good points but overstates the pitfalls of using Alclad in this particular application. But the biggest problem in either case is masking and trimming: If you can't do these things well, then you will arrive at unsatisfactory results. These are done with Alclad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclescott58 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Curtis, where is the Porsche 911 kit above from. Who makes it? And what scale? There are very few Porsche 911 model kit with the pre 1974 small bumper set up. Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillyb1 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Curtis, where is the Porsche 911 kit above from. Who makes it? And what scale? There are very few Porsche 911 model kit with the pre 1974 small bumper set up. Scott Scott, that Porsche is the Fujimi Enthusiast kit in 1/24 scale. I think it is supposed to be a 1967. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovefordgalaxie Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Bought Alclad and was given some Alclad II. Did some tests, over enamel gloss black, and over other colors. I wouldn't use it on a model even if BMF didn't existed. It's fragile, hanling the model can and will damage the finish, not to mention that a coat of wax will ruin it. When I'm out of BMF, I just use household aluminum foil and white glue. Same result, a little more work. Gave away the two bottles of Alclad I had. I think by now the guy I gave them to already trashed them, or gave them to yet another victim. Like Mr Spock would say, the logic is very simple: Foil is metal, what you are trying to replicate is metal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 1017 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 BMF takes a lot of practice. My first attempt was so bad that I did not touch that stuff for along time. After reading a lot of BMF posts I got back into it. Each car that I do is better than the last one. Don't give up Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillyb1 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Bought Alclad and was given some Alclad II. Did some tests, over enamel gloss black, and over other colors. I wouldn't use it on a model even if BMF didn't existed. It's fragile, hanling the model can and will damage the finish, not to mention that a coat of wax will ruin it. When I'm out of BMF, I just use household aluminum foil and white glue. Same result, a little more work. Like Mr Spock would say, the logic is very simple: Foil is metal, what you are trying to replicate is metal. I will take issue with several points you make because I think you are unnecessarily absolutist and perhaps misleading. Alclad (chrome and polished aluminum) are NOT fragile. If that is the result one gets, then one is doing something wrong! It is an incredibly durable finish that withstands all the manhandling I've dished out to parts I've painted with Alclad. Moreover, I think your assertion that "a coat of wax will ruin it" may be true but really just raises the question, "Why would anyone try to wax Alclad?" And, lastly, your so-called simple logic is neither. We work on models that create the illusion, more or less accurately, of reproduction in miniature but we don't replicate all the processes and materials used in making automobiles. Cars have glass for windows but very few modelers attempt to use glass in scale. That being said, a modeler really should try to become adept at using BMF. It is well worth the effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovefordgalaxie Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I will take issue with several points you make because I think you are unnecessarily absolutist and perhaps misleading. Alclad (chrome and polished aluminum) are NOT fragile. If that is the result one gets, then one is doing something wrong! It is an incredibly durable finish that withstands all the manhandling I've dished out to parts I've painted with Alclad. Moreover, I think your assertion that "a coat of wax will ruin it" may be true but really just raises the question, "Why would anyone try to wax Alclad?" And, lastly, your so-called simple logic is neither. We work on models that create the illusion, more or less accurately, of reproduction in miniature but we don't replicate all the processes and materials used in making automobiles. Cars have glass for windows but very few modelers attempt to use glass in scale. That being said, a modeler really should try to become adept at using BMF. It is well worth the effort. Yes, Alclad is good if the model is going to sit inside a transparent casing for all it's life. I said and say it again, dealing with the model, having it on hand, and cleaning it,even with a microfiber rag, will damage the Alclad finish after a couple of times. The only way to protect it, is to clear coat it with some acrylic clear, and that will make the shine to go down a lot. I use to wax my models with car wax once in a while, to protect them from the shelf dust, and it's impossible to avoid all the trim while doing it. A simple little drop of wax WILL remove all the shine from the Alclad where it gets, and the paint will turn gray, just like with some handling. Maybe my Alclad was "bad", but I don't think so. And yes, I try to use the more "real" materials as I can on my builds, including automotive paint on most of them instead of modeling paint. Why will I paint chrome when I can easily apply real metal foil??? No masking, no black painting before, and I even get a surface I can actually polish to get even more shine, what can't be done with Alclad. Another thing I do is to clear coat the kit chrome while still on the trees, so it's shine will be preserved for the same time as the foil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjracing Posted August 26, 2014 Author Share Posted August 26, 2014 Thanks for all the coments! I think this is an really good teme of discusion! I'll try to whit crome paint to see the efects, and practice whit BMF, lets see whats happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landman Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 How does Alclad compare with regular model silver paint. That's what I was using mostly back in the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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