Harry P. Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 A "stop sales" order has been issued by GM on the new Corvette. And the beat goes on... http://www.autonews.com/article/20140911/OEM11/140919954/gm-issues-2-recalls-stop-sale-orders-for-2015-corvettes# Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakshow12 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 They just can't catch a break can they? I like the new vette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin T Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I almost feel bad for them,almost. All of this could have been avoided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseldawg142 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 (edited) ... Edited May 11, 2018 by dieseldawg142 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin T Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Well I would say they have a good reason to be under a close eye, being as they have had 67 million cars recalled over a nine month period. 67,000,000 Is an absolutely massive number,one that will be remembered for years to come. I don't care if your a GM guy or not that is an unacceptable number of recalls, one that really never should have happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakshow12 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 There is a different way to look at this. So they are issuing a ton of recalls, but remember Toyota ? They had a few years the issued a recall if a sun visit didn't click in properly! In the long run I think it speaks volumes about an improvement in quality! I'm no die hard GM man by any stretch but I have one. My hummer H2 has been good but a few small things that the dealer brushed off irritated me. Same with my f150s. Things that once you do some research could have been valid recalls but if they only issue a tsb then it's more cost effective for them. It looks bad in print but I thing the intentions are good to build a better, safer product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbuzzed Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 67,000,000 vehicles. I wish I had a buck for each one, and that's what GM tried to do- save a few $$$ on those cars by going for the lesser cost parts. Those recalls have nothing to do with quality. It's all about the bottom line $$$ on the spread sheet, the shareholders profits and how much the execs will make. I have nothing against making as much money as you can, but safety and common sense should not be brushed aside for that purpose. It happens all too often in our world, in large, multinational corporations and small, family-owned companies. Some of those responsible learn from the experience and apply that knowledge to future products, while others just don't give a ratza$$. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slusher Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I wonder if all or most of these recalls would have been swept under the rug if they had not got caught with the key switch on the Cobalts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseldawg142 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 (edited) .... Edited May 11, 2018 by dieseldawg142 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakshow12 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Exactally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbuzzed Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 It has nothing to do with brand or brand loyalty. This is not a car-guy thing. I would hate to see the same headlines about Chrysler, but if they had problems on this scale, that's the breaks. Same with Ford, Hyundai, Toyota, Nissan, BMW, Audi, et al. It has everything to do with greed- THE BOTTOM LINE. That's the problem with the corporate world today. Why do you think a certain, large retaller sells dog food that's not even fit for consumption by dogs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakshow12 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I agree with that. I think one big word plays in with that too. Outsourcing. Many things quality wise have suffered since everything has to get to plants off of boats... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastown Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Recalls are one thing, actually getting your repairs done is quite another. I have in my hand a recall notice from Nov. 2012 on my wifes car, no parts are available. Have received another notice for the same recall June 2014, no parts available. I have 4 different recall notices on this same car, no parts available, will send another letter when parts have arrived. I'm not very impressed. Went to the dealer to ask what I was to do, they just kind of laughed and said it SHOULD be alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZTony8 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I'm a GM dealer parts guy who's been handing out many of the parts for the various recalls.The problem for these recalls begins when the public gets wind of them and starts bugging the dealers about parts availability.Most of the time we don't get the parts until several weeks after the recalls are announced (or leaked).After the initial batch of parts is sent out the parts often go on backorder.Then we wait some more until the next batch arrives.There are some rcalls where parts must be special ordered for each customer. Many customers are now getting the letters about upcoming recalls with the notice that parts aren't yet available.This a small step towards doing things better .But the best thing that could happen is that the dealers are notified of the recalls and recieve parts within a day or two of the public announcement of the recalls,if not beforehand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muncie Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 and last week - BMW, Roush, Tiffin, Bluebird Paccar (KW, Peterbilt) and Honda were among the manufacturers that submited Defect Information Reports to NHTSA to recall motor vehicles to remedy a defect that affects motor vehicle safety on vehicles that had been delivered to customers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry P. Posted September 12, 2014 Author Share Posted September 12, 2014 I wonder if all or most of these recalls would have been swept under the rug if they had not got caught with the key switch on the Cobalts. I think you're exactly right. GM knows they're under the microscope, they know they have to act on any possible problem. If they weren't under such intense scrutiny, who knows if this "stop sales" order would ever had been made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSNJim Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 My Honda Goldwing motorcycle just had a second recall issued for the same problem the first recall was supposed to fix. The fix (for a dragging rear brake that could cause a fire) didn't work as well as it should have, and Honda has another fix for it. My bike hasn't had any issues so far, but is part of the recall. Pretty cool to have your recall recalled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lownslow Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 oh come on now, everybody recalls, gm is just the proverbial bug under the microscope in the auto industry... airbag i can see, the p. brake?-bah! e-brake on one of our company diesel 5-spd super duty stopped working 2 yrs ago, we just crank the wheels & leave it in R when parked & it hasn't rolled away from any job sites yet... yeah except all this happened under the "bailout" curtain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbox55 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 save a few $$$ on those cars by going for the lesser cost parts. That's not the real reasons behind the problems with the ignition switch. The real reason the switch was changed to the design used was due to complaints that the GM ignition switch was "too hard to turn compared to Honda and Toyota" by the consumers. Unfortunately, the switch design was simply not durable enough. I got this information direct from the TSB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 (edited) I simply don't consider all the recalls acceptable at all. It just means people are NOT doing the jobs they're paid for, which is to GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME. And the engineers and designers ARE PAID WELL to get it right the first time. I've been a professional race-car mechanic and an aircraft mechanic. I've NEVER had the luxury of radioing the race driver or pilot in flight with an "oops, you better come in or land, because I forgot to do something and it may lead to a failure that could kill you. But don't be upset...I'm only human and nobody is perfect". Total BS. Edited September 13, 2014 by Ace-Garageguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbuzzed Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 I simply don't consider all the recalls acceptable at all. It just means people are NOT doing the jobs they're paid for, which is to GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME. And the engineers and designers ARE PAID WELL to get it right the first time. I've been a professional race-car mechanic and an aircraft mechanic. I've NEVER had the luxury of radioing the race driver or pilot in flight with an "oops, you better come in or land, because I forgot to do something and it may lead to a failure that could kill you. But don't be upset...I'm only human and nobody is perfect". Total BS. Amen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbuzzed Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 That's not the real reasons behind the problems with the ignition switch. The real reason the switch was changed to the design used was due to complaints that the GM ignition switch was "too hard to turn compared to Honda and Toyota" by the consumers. Unfortunately, the switch design was simply not durable enough. I got this information direct from the TSB. Do you really believe that? What's the cause for their other recalls along the way ? That's typical of corporate thinking in today's world- pass the blame to someone else. The customer, of all people. I wonder what was the difference in cost to GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Janssens Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 A "stop sales" order has been issued by GM on the new Corvette. And the beat goes on... http://www.autonews.com/article/20140911/OEM11/140919954/gm-issues-2-recalls-stop-sale-orders-for-2015-corvettes# They must be new to the car biz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranma Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 And yet Ford recall's 74,000 hybred SUV's from 2005 -08 or so because the cooling pump may fail causeing the engine to shut off. IT's not Only GM fella's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbwelda Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 I like that, the dealer could just say "Emergency Brake? Phhht. Just put it in park and point your wheels to the curb". on a 100K$ car (isn't that what a vette fetches today?). Who needs a stupid e-brake anyway! jb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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