Daniel Peterson Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 I know this has probably been covered before, but I don't get as much much time to cruise the forum as I'd like. I finally broke down and bought some Tamiya spray paint (TS-51 Racing Blue and TS-52 Candy Lime) and want to know if it behaves alright over the DupliColor primers I've come to know and love. And should I use a white primer for the Lime? I did get the Tamiya clear (TS-13) just to play it safe, but would the DupliColor clear be okay on these paints, or is it too hot? If I were to actually work on something and get it to the point of a color coat, I don't want to booger it up...any more than I normally would using compatible paints, that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve H. Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 Peterson, Good to see ya back here! (Must be goundhog day since you popped up, heh?) I use Dupli under Tamiya all the time, but once in a great while it will do some micro fish eye. Tamiya primer is always best, and when I'm doing a contest paint job, I'll do bodywork in dupli and top it with Tamiya primer. Never used duplicolor clear, don't really like Tamiya clear (its hot on Tamiya colors). I use Testors new lacquer clear exclusively, now. Yes, Testors Lacquer clear will work on Tamiya color. Testors is the only thing that stands up to the abuse I call polishing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Kern Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Dan, I also use Dupli-Color primer, white sandable under Tamiya paints. I think the white helps colors pop. I used it under the Tamiya candy lime on the VW Bug gasser in my avatar. I also just used Dupli-Color clear over metallic Tamiya paint, and it came out fine. It will be polished when dry. I also have tried the Testors Lacquer system as Steve said, with great results, but those paints seem hard to find locally. The drying time with these kinds of paints, especially with a dehydrator, has me sold! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Peterson Posted August 20, 2007 Author Share Posted August 20, 2007 Peterson, Good to see ya back here! (Must be goundhog day since you popped up, heh?) Well...I haven't had a lot of time (read that "any") to hang out here much because our club's slave driver of a vice president has been workin' me hard on our newsletter, web site and pre-show prep for the Super September Showdown, our annual contest event...oh, Randy...I didn't see you there! I guess it's not all Randy's fault...work has been nuts, the kids are great but driving me insane, and the townhouse we live in has decided to load me up with nitpicky, pain-in-the-hiney repairs. I have been aching to try the Tamiya paints, especially after seeing the results the guys in our club have gotten. I have only one local place I am aware of that carries the Tamiya stuff, and of course I found everything I was looking for there except for the primer, which apparently everybody alse was looking for -- and found -- before I got to the store... With any luck, I might get a chance to shoot some of this stuff before the cold weather prohibits it...yeah, I know...that's like 3 months away yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Can Am Garage Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Dan, I hate to be the one to break the news to ya but you don't absolutely have to use primer under Tamiya Sprays. In fact, I haven't used primer under their Spray paints in years. This is an example of that. Tamiya gloss white spray over bare plastic followed by a coat of blue violet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaBoy Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 I use DupliColor primer for all of my models with great success. First, make sure you get the can that says sandable and fillable as it first, sands smoother than any other primer I have used since the AMT primer in the sixties. Second, it is a great sealer and plastic protector for all paint, including enamels, all lacquers and of course water based paints. I use both the gray and white and both in the big cans and small cans. What I would suggest is that since Tamiya does not mention if it is lacquer or enamel, and I suspect it is lacquer, I would prime the entire model, including the underside to make sure any overspray does not craze the plastic. I have found that some Japanese and European made plastic kits have a little more fragile plastic than American based kits, so again, be careful, as you do not want to jeopardize your body mods and detail work. I have heard some guys use the cheapest primer that they can find at Wally world, but again, Duplicolor is a great source of colors and I wanted to use the primer to protect my cars, and then found how good the primer is. Ken "FloridaBoy" Willaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Willits Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Duplicolor sandable primer is the only primer I've used for over 25 years. I use this primer under ALL PAINTS!!! Never had a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ismaelg Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Duplicolor sandable primer is the only primer I've used for over 25 years. I use this primer under ALL PAINTS!!! Never had a problem. Hi Lyle, Sorry for hijacking the thread, but do you know if it works under lacquer like Cobra Colors, MCW, Rainbow colors? I stopped using DC back in 2005 when it lightly crazed the Revell plastic on a C6 Vette. Since Plastikote is now impossible to find (sob), I might need to get back at DC. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom Zoom Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Ismael, I haven't tried DC primer recently, in years past it seemed pretty hot. I'm working on Revell's newest plastic, and I'll tell you that a coat of Tamiya white primer wasn't enough to block Cobra Color from mildly etching some of the plastic after a wet final coat Those areas were under the hood and the chassis, not a big deal. A few other parts had not been painted yet, and I applied the CC paint over them in very light coats and the crazing problem didn't recur. The body had a lot of sanding of mold lines, PK primer definitely made the mold lines ghost after sanding, I spotted Zinsser BIN via airbrush over those areas only, sanded and reprimed the entire body w/PK primer, sanded and then applied Cobra Colors paint and had zero problems w/ghosting or crazing. I had spotted in just the mold line areas w/PK primer before any sanding so the lines would show up easier; it didn't craze the virgin plastic. I think PK is milder than Duplicolor. Thankfully I know one Wal Mart and several Michael's that still carry it. I can empathize with your inability to get PK primer...I really think it's the most plastic-friendly of the auto primers. Tamiya spray paint is lacquer, but it doesn't eat plastic, it doesn't need a primer, but it does need to be applied over a color that complements Tamiya's rather thin pigment. Tamiya primer is the best/smoothest, but it's expensive and it's not as effective a solvent block as other primers and sealers. If I'm doing much bodywork/sanding and using auto paint for the color I'm at a point where I'll use Plastikote and BIN as my preferred primer and sealer combo. Requires a bit more wetsanding w/micromesh before the color coats, but it's worth the extra effort when the plastic doesn't craze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Ismaelg I have used Duplicolor Sandable Primer on Cobra Colors and MCW paint. But I usually use Duplicolor Primer Sealer to seal the primer. I've only had one problem with it on the Cobra Colors. I sprayed too heavily and it ate the primer. If you do several light coats to build up a base, you shouldn't have a problem. I use Duplicolor Primer all the time on resin kits and Tamiya kits. I've never had any problem with it crazing the Japanese plastic kits. I have run into problems with some of the new Revell kits with it crazing the plastic. I believe this is from Revell changing their plastic formula. I do like the Tamiya fine white primer if I am painting stuff white. Brendan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrygre Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Since Plastikote is now impossible to find (sob), I might need to get back at DC. Izzy, I found a store in a neighboring town that stocks PlastiKote, and of course I stocked up on T-235 Gray. About six cans worth. They told me they were going to be a dealer for the new HOK spray range (NOT the model paints!). Looks like I'll be a regular customer there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrygre Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Speaking of sealers..... Has anyone tried using MCW's sealers on the newer Revell plastic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Wyatt Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Hey Dan...I've used Tamiya over Dupli primer...works out fine. You can use the Dupli clear over Tamiya but the same rules apply as if you were using the Tamiya clear...within a few minutes of the last color coat or wait about a month for the paint to gas out. I really like the Tamiya sprays, they spray great and have a nice out-of-can gloss. If only they'd double the size of the can and knock a buck off the price. Sweitzers Hobbies in York carries the sprays, you can always stop there after club meetings or if you know what colors you want I could pick them up for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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