Cato Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/01/19/deuce-coupe-revival-ford-brand-new-32-5-window-bodies/?intcmp=features Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedfreak Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Weird, and , cool if true. But a 327 as the suggested mill? Sacrilege. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cato Posted January 20, 2014 Author Share Posted January 20, 2014 Weird, and , cool if true. But a 327 as the suggested mill? Sacrilege. Yeah-I'd cut the top 3" and add a Boss 429... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danno Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 BIG kit cars! Gives another dimension to the "Large Scale" classes at shows and contests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Kron Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Interesting that "these '32 Coupe reproductions are exclusively licensed to United Pacific Industries" rather than, say, Brookville, for example. I wonder why they got the nod... At the moment they make very little to serve this area of the hobby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danno Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Two things. Licensing + Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedfreak Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 BIG kit cars! Gives another dimension to the "Large Scale" classes at shows and contests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordairgtar Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 UPI does those fancy chrome goodies for big rigs and tools for all kinds of areas. Hong Kong based. Interesting that "these '32 Coupe reproductions are exclusively licensed to United Pacific Industries" rather than, say, Brookville, for example. I wonder why they got the nod... At the moment they make very little to serve this area of the hobby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry P. Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Saw that yesterday. Kind of pricey, don't you think? I mean, just for a repro body, no frame, no mechanicals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Kron Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) Saw that yesterday. Kind of pricey, don't you think? I mean, just for a repro body, no frame, no mechanicals? The basic Brookville 53-window starts at $25K and I suspect the 5-window is more so UPI actually underprices the competition... for now... Given the demographic I wonder how the made-in-Asia aspect will impact sales. Brookville has been in the business a long time and they have huge prestige. When you're playing in this league $5K can be easily forgiven. Oops, B'ville stuff is made in Taiwan... Edited January 20, 2014 by Bernard Kron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjordan2 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Ford has also licensed steel body reproductions for the 40 Ford coupe and 65 & 67 Mustang convertibles.http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1080100_1940-ford-coupe-joins-list-of-ford-licensed-products-video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cato Posted January 20, 2014 Author Share Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) -and then there's the group making '69 Camaros... A complex and not enticing build prospect. There is nothing in those shells. Edit: Dynacorn ,I believe is the company-also off-shore. Edited January 20, 2014 by Cato Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pharoah Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Too much $$$$ for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrux Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Hmm, 327 ci factors out to 5.4L and that IS a Ford mill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The70judgeman Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 THEN, you have to buy a frame, complete suspension, engine, interior, and................................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slusher Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Just to much money for so little... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry57 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 United pacific made the dies and stamps them their self, ford had nothing to with it at all, they just collect the licensing fees. They are stamped in Taiwan, and start at $21,000, brookville doesn't make the 5 window but their 3 window is $23,000 and stamped in the USA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Cullinan Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 It is expensive but apparently cheaper than finding a original and repairing it if you can find one. L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovefordgalaxie Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 That kind of money for a fake car. Ford can licence whatever they want, a real 1932 Ford was manufactured in late 1931, or in 1932, has a 65 Hp Ford flathead V8, or a Four cylinder B engine, mechanical brakes, fenders, bumpers, stock colors, stock wire wheels, hubcaps, stock interior, 6V electrical system, no A/C, no power steering, no power windowns, no carpeting, has bias ply tires, one barrel carburetor, one exit exhaust. and reproduction anything. Unfortunately, due to Hot Roders, a car like this today, is over 100 K Dollars or more. I know, because I dream about a 1932 three window coupe V8, bone stock, unmolested, and the cheapest I found had a asking price of 110 k Dollars, and for a car in need of restoration without the stock rear end. On top of that I would need to go to Uruguay to get the car. Here in my town there are two original cars. A beige and black Model B Cabriolet, with adapted juice brakes but otherwise original, and a green and black V8 roadster, all original. Well, almost all original, the radiator shell was chrome plated. None of the cars are for sale. Both are in the original families that bought them new. No chance of ever buying one of them... I drove the green roadster tough, more than once, and the car is a dream to drive. Other than the fact that you have to plan your stops way ahead, (it was a little scary the first time I braked and the pedal went almost to the metal) and be careful with the gearbox, one would never tell it was manufactured in 1932. Oh, and that V8 flathead sound... IMHO there is NOTHING better in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie8575 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 The Brookeville body, for point of reference. http://brookvilleroadster.com/models/32-3-window-coupe/ American made- definitely a big point gainer in my book. I'd seriously consider going that route for a new car. Modern brakes/steering/tires (Diamondback WWW radials on steelies, thank you,) and a subtle, tasteful custom color scheme with a 302/C-4/Traction-Lok driveline. Works for me. Charlie Larkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disabled modeler Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Just to much money for so little... Agreed...even though Id love to have one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Lombardo Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) I think it is time to realize that "nothing is made in the USA" any more except for Hamburgers and Credit Cards.....oh, and of course, what we make in our backyard garages. The American industrial complex has priced itself out of everything except for the odd government contract, and most of those go to international companies. Sad but true, we have become a country of consumers, not producers. Recently I bought a new golf club from a club manufacturer headquartered in California from an on-line retailer in Texas......head forged in China, shaft made in Japan and assembled in Mexico.....I am not optimistic for my Grandchildren unless they get into Law, Banking or International Law and Banking. Edited January 23, 2014 by Peter Lombardo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Kron Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I think it is time to realize that "nothing is made in the USA" any more except for Hamburgers and Credit Cards.....oh, and of course, what we make in our backyard garages. The American industrial complex has priced itself out of everything except for the odd government contract, and most of those go to international companies. Sad but true, we have become a country of consumers, not producers. --- Agreed, but there are a couple of things to consider about this, I think. One is that it has been an agressively pursued policy not only of multinationals and poorer countries developing their export markets, but also of our own government at least since the Marshall plan. It's based on the theory of "competitive advantage" which has been taught in every b-school in the country for more than a generation. But there's nothing new about this lop-sided interpretation of "competitive advantage", it used to be referred to as mercantilism. The second point, again as you imply, is that it's not without consequences. Eventually the "consumer" country is left with few productive resources and can no longer suppport the cost of consumption, and the debt to keep it going, at a level that will be of benefit to the exporting countries. And so the pendulum reverses, the exporters suffering inflation and rising wages, compromising their competitiveness, and an opportunity to restructure and regain a position in producing goods and services for export opens up in the "consumer country". It's up to us to grab it, but not necessarily by trying to lower wages and benefits to those of the emerging exporting countries. The result can simply be "sticky" mass unemployment, lost generations of workers, and the lowering of standards of living to unacceptable levels, as we are currently seeing in parts of southern Europe. The cost of this "hollowing out" is eventually, and inevitably, borne by those who have initially benefited from it as well as by those who initially facilitated it. But the responsibility of society to regain a foothold towards prosperity is borne by everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 $20k for what you're getting isn't that far off of the mark. Figure in what it actually costs in today's dollars to have the bodywork done to bring that same 5 window coupe back to the same condition and it might seem cheap. Yes, you could do the bodywork yourself, but for almost everyone else that would be way over their head. Official Ford Liscensing means that you can take a brand new panel off do this body and in theory it will interchange. The Liscensing gives the manufacturer the right to make the parts to Ford's original dimensions. I can't remember the percentage off the top of my head that a non-OEM part has to be different from the original to not infringe on the manufacturer's patents, (which is why aftermarket sheet metal doesn't always fit as well). Case in point. My uncle bought a really nice '32 3 window back around 1990, he took it to a local Hot Rod shop to have a few of his own tweaks added. Turned out that the coupe body wasn't as pristine as it looked lots of different owners over the years had added their tweaks too. Some of them shouldn't have either. The car had been on the road almost since new as a stocker, then a drag racer and finally a Hot Rod. The top chop was poorly done, it had "Coupe Cracks"* and other issues requiring correcting to make a really nice Hot Rod. Other modifications like filling the poorly fitted gauges in the original dash added to the costs. All this was justified because it was a '32 3 window after all! All said and done he had somewhere around $10 - $15 grand into the coupe body itself. This isn't a case of a shop ripping off someone either, the shop is a well respected, well qualified and not cheap by any means either. (I have taken my own stuff there.) The car turned out nice enough that it had a feature layout in Rodder's Digest magazine in 1992. When you are talking about doing the body work on a '32 Ford you probably wouldn't take it to just any shop either, probably to the most qualified and knowledgeable shop you could afford. So, this isn't that uncommon of a story. I've heard it a few times while discussing someone's nice looking Hot Rod. ( I've been around Hot Rods about as long as I can remember). I've also heard the same sort of tale from guys with restored stockers too, once you start correcting something you just keep finding more. So, in my book $20,000 for a unmolested steel '32 Ford body isn't ridiculous, when all said and done the cash outlay will be nearing the $100,000 mark. I've yet to see a genuine '32 Ford Coupe rat rod, not to say someone hasn't. It would probably be ran out of even the most casual cruise night, most Hot Rodder's are pretty tolerant but a '32 Ford is an icon after all. The reason that you see Chevrolet, Oldsmobile, Cadillac and even Pontiac overhead valve V8's in many early Hot Rods is because they came out before Ford got around to it. Read some of the old Hot Rod magazines of that era, the new Chevrolet 265 inch V8 was beating the pants off of Hot Rodded Flatheads, and Ford was still building them! Can't change history. *Coupe Cracks form at the joint of the coupe top and rear quarters from the body flexing, they appear in most Ford coupes from the Model T through '36 or '37. In some cases the rear part of the coupe's top almost cracks from one side of the body to the other. Not a cheap fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScaleDale Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Stacy David's Rat Roaster was built on a Brookville frame and body and the show included a tour of the Ohio factory where the stuff is made. Look it up on StacyDavid.com under the Projects link. Very old school stamping dies and craftsmanship. Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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