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#1 E St. Kruiser50

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 01:04 PM

<img src="http://www.modelcars...IR#>/blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" /> ), <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="wink.gif" <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":o" border="0" alt="ohmy.gif" /> - at least for me <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> .
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#2 RodneyBad

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 02:13 PM

Awesome Tips Dave...

I know I'm on the right track, now. B)

It is good to know that you can turn out Such Great paint jobs with
a cheap airbrush.
Now to find a cheap airbrush and a walk in spray booth.

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 04:29 PM

Thanks for sharing your methods and insights. I love your work and your attitude. If we had Goodwill Ambassadors for our hobby, you would definitely get one of my votes. I have one question... Do you apply another coat of primer after shooting Zinser BIN or do you apply color on top of the Zinser.

#4 E St. Kruiser50

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 04:40 PM

<!--quoteo(post=188246:date=Jun 24 2009, 07:29 PM:name=pharr7226)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(pharr7226 @ Jun 24 2009, 07:29 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=188246"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I have one question...

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#5 E St. Kruiser50

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 05:04 PM

<!--quoteo(post=188254:date=Jun 24 2009, 07:46 PM:name=George)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(George @ Jun 24 2009, 07:46 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=188254"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Glad it'll help <img src="http://www.modelcars...<#EMO_DIR#>/coo <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 07:49 PM

Thank you very much, Dave! Looks like I have some supplies to get.

I think this kind of post is great-I'd love to see more users discuss their techniques.

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Posted 25 June 2009 - 02:31 AM

This sounds like great advice that I am going to try Dave. I just lost a painted and decaled body when I went to clear it because the paint was applied about two days before. DOH! It's in the "dip" as I speak. My question is I'm doing a replica of my 81 Corvette and I want my decals under the clear. They are small and not difficult to do but there are about 9 to apply. I want to take my time applying them so how long do I wait after I paint the color coat to apply them and how much time do I have after I'm done so the clear won't attack the color coat? I hope this isn't a confusing question.

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Posted 25 June 2009 - 04:45 AM

<!--quoteo(post=188313:date=Jun 25 2009, 05:31 AM:name=leereyn)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(leereyn @ Jun 25 2009, 05:31 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=188313"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->This sounds like great advice that I am going to try <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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Posted 25 June 2009 - 05:30 AM

Hi Lee :rolleyes:
A very clearly stated question, and good timing. I'm working on a pretty intense decal project right now, that's clear coated.

As I stated in my post, I have a 24 hour window of time to work in. The other thing I keep in mind is that I like my decals to dry overnight so there is no moisture present when I clear-coat.

Given those two parameters, I also like to start applying the decals about an hour or so after the last coat of color or clear.

For me I start applying the decals around 1 or 2 o'clock in the afternoon, after shooting my last coat of paint around noon. This gives the paint I use plenty of time to dry, before the decaling begins.
This also gives me plenty of time to lay down the decals, and allow them to dry over-night, and then start shooting the clear in the morning, or at least within that "24 HOUR WINDOW".
If for some reason you don't get all the decaling done all at once, the next day you can lay down a light and medium coat coat of clear, for a glossy finish, and then finish up your decaling later, followed by the normal three steps of clearing. For me, after the decaling is done, I do the three-step several times to get the build up I want, waiting about an hour between each 3-step for drying, and then sand where the edge of the decals may cause an un-even surface, spray a third three-step at least once, then let dry 12 hours, and polish. Remember, 15 minutes between each coat of clear.

Now remember I'm retired, so I can choose the time of day to start and finish a little easier than "working guys", so you may have to be a little more creative in your timing, but at least you get the general idea :D .

Everybody ends up using their own techniques, but at least this gives you something concrete to start with.

Hope all this was clear enough to help. Good luck on your project, and don't forget to do samples first when your un-sure - dave :D


Perfectly clear and thanks for the reply Dave. Actually, I'm on vacation next week so the timing is perfect to try your method. I hate that I messed up in the first place but when life deals you lemons as they say.........I'm looking forward to trying this. You gave me a schedule and everything. How did anyone learn anything before message boards? Thanks again.

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Posted 25 June 2009 - 05:47 AM

Great tips Dave but you forgot something........ Pictures of your painted and finished models!!!! :D ;) I am sure we all want to see them, it just makes this great tutorial more complete. Thanks!!!! :(

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Posted 25 June 2009 - 07:55 AM

<!--quoteo(post=188348:date=Jun 25 2009, 08:47 AM:name=marcos cruz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(marcos cruz @ Jun 25 2009, 08:47 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=188348"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><img src="http://www.modelcars...IR#>/blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="blink.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="blink.gif" /> I a <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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Posted 25 June 2009 - 08:30 AM

Now that's what I'm talking about!!!!Thanks... :(

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Posted 25 June 2009 - 01:32 PM

:D :D ;)

:D :o :blink:


WOW !!!!!!



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I think that this is one of the simplest, most logical and well written paint tips I have ever seen here or elsewhere. I have done the same steps as you, and as I refined my techniques the results speak for themselves! I just like to "delay " the final polish till everything is rockhard. As I live in a tropical area ( I get cold at 65f) I'm used to shooting in warm temp...but love my dehydrator!!

THANKS DAVE!!!!


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Posted 25 June 2009 - 02:30 PM

Dave-

What kind of cloth do you use for rubbing out etc? I can't wait to try this method by the way. I actually painted a body the other day almost in this way because I was in a hurry to get to work! It came out nice, now I need to try it on purpose! Thanks.

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Posted 25 June 2009 - 04:51 PM

<!--quoteo(post=188434:date=Jun 25 2009, 05:30 PM:name=Dave)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dave @ Jun 25 2009, 05:30 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=188434"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Dave-
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<img src="http://www.modelcars...IR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />
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Posted 25 June 2009 - 04:53 PM

As they say, a picture is worth 1,000 words.

Dave, your models speak for themselves... your system obviously works! B)

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Posted 27 June 2009 - 01:19 PM

Thanks Dave for the helpfull tips. I have painted this A100 twice and had to dip it in the brake fluid twice. I painted this today your way and I think it turned out GREAT using Testors One Coat Laquer and Wet Look Clear.
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Posted 27 June 2009 - 05:24 PM

<!--quoteo(post=188827:date=Jun 27 2009, 04:19 PM:name=Towmaster Dave)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Towmaster Dave @ Jun 27 2009, 04:19 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=188827"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
<img src="http://www.modelcars...DIR#>/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> .
<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":lol:" border="0" alt="cool.gif" /> .
<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":lol:" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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Posted 28 June 2009 - 03:41 AM

Great models Dave!!! They look great.

Seeing them did give me a couple of questions though. (I appologize if you already explained this and I missed it)
How would you use your technique for 2 toned or multi-colored paint jobs? How long do you wait before doing the tape outs? What tape do you like to use?
When doing a multiple color job, do you spray light to dark or vise versa?

Thanks.

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Posted 28 June 2009 - 07:30 AM

<!--quoteo(post=188937:date=Jun 28 2009, 06:41 AM:name=Tommy Kortman)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tommy Kortman @ Jun 28 2009, 06:41 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=188937"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> <img src="http://www.modelcars...#>/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" /> probably, but it works <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /

<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="cool.gif" /> >>>> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/angry.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="angry.gif" /> , <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":o" border="0" alt="ohmy.gif" /> OUCH !!

<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> . <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> , and boy have I made some huge mistakes <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> .

Edited by Treehugger Dave, 08 August 2010 - 11:09 AM.