Fox Chassis (Ford) community build anyone?
Posted 05 May 2010 - 01:39 AM
Mark Taylor....good looking out for the Foxes just in case someone had been thinking of doing one of the mentioned non-Foxes .
riknight1972......I thank you very much for your enthusiasm, but I have to agree. While the SN95 cars (94-98) were still similar to the Fox underneath, they were major departures from the cars covered here.
Ok, got some more done on my 'vert, and a minor setback this morning when I got home from work. One of my cats had gotton a hold of my scratchbuilt power steering rack and used it as a chew toy! Well, time to build another one. This time I will scratchbuild the STEEDA bumpsteer kit (tie rod ends) the car has under it now instead of the stock pieces (he actually did me a favor, although it was a backhanded one!). Got the lower control arms seperated from my second rear end and shaped/drilled to look more realistic and be posable. Also got the rear diff cover from the second rear cut free, reshaped (to better simulate the 8.8" unit) and filled (I am making it into a Ford SVO unit-the aluminum girdle type with the preload bolts). Next up: upper control arms and the mounting ears on the diff case (and filling the open top of the diff) and the mounting brackets on the chassis for the U.C.As. Pics to come this weekend (I hope!).
Edited by whale392, 05 May 2010 - 01:41 AM.
Posted 05 May 2010 - 03:31 AM
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Posted 05 May 2010 - 04:47 AM
The 94-98 suspension geometry also changed (for the better I might add), and for the most part will bolt back into a true Fox (your arguement point). Valid I will agree, until you take into account the revised ball joint size, longer A-Arms (87-88 TurboCoupe TBird length), heavier struts, revised wheel bearing hub/steering arm axis, metric versus standard brake fittings..........the list can go on. While the SVO had similar suspension features (if you will), do we rule it not a Fox? It is a Fox Body as well as a modified Fox Chassis. Ford took what they learned from the SVO and the T-Bird TurboCoupes (and to a lesser extent the Lincoln MKVII LSC) and applied it to the 1994-98 Mustangs. 1999 saw even more changes come to the SN95 (now called the 'New Edge'). However, a lot of the parts will bolt back to the Fox. Even some of the S197 (2005-up) parts will still bolt back to a Fox; so would we let them in too?
As I said Rick, your points are very valid. But for the purposes of this build, we will consider true Foxes only, even though they can have a healthy dose of SN95, New Edge, and S197 thrown into them.
Edited by whale392, 05 May 2010 - 11:05 AM.
Posted 05 May 2010 - 05:24 AM
So, someone give me a quick rundown of what should be changed on a '93 Cobra from Monogram to make it a regular GT, besides the obvious engine & Wheels. I plan on building mine in distressed, high milage mode (faded / peeling clear coat, dents, maybe a different color panel here or there, interior well worn) & want to know what needs to be fixed ahead of time.
I am going to not use the cobra wing either, unless i paint it a different color.
Wing, rear bumper cover, side skirts, taillights, and grille.
The front valence (below the headlights) is the same between a 93 Cobra and GT, but the GT doesn't have a grille opening between the headlights, where the Cobra does. You could source the taillights, nose, and lower body stuff from one of the GT convertibles with a little bit of cutting and bodywork, but you'd be left without a wing. You could use the Saleen wing from the 89 'vert kit (also available in resin on eBay), or try to adapt one of the GT wings from the MPC/AMT 87/88 GT kit, but I don't know if the scale difference (24 vs 25) would give you any problems.
The only thing you'd have to change on the engine would be the upper intake (and maybe the lower intake if the kit parts are molded differently between the Cobra and GT kits), since the rest of the differences on the 1:1 aren't visible (heads, cam, rockers, throttle body).
The only interior difference I can think of is that Cobras didn't have cruise control, which wouldn't be noticeable in scale since they still have the same steering wheel. Also, all 93 Cobras were 5 speed cars, so if you want an automatic GT, obviously you'd have to use a different transmission, change your pedals, and source or scratchbuild a shifter.
Posted 05 May 2010 - 05:36 AM
Good call on the seats, airbag vs non-airbag wheels, and armrest, Mark, I forgot about them changing.
Posted 05 May 2010 - 05:43 AM
My only question...the '93 Cobra kits I have were all bought right when it came out. Did they eventually fix the intake? All of mine are identical to the '89+ Monogram "regular" 5.0 kit parts, dummied up with a Cobra plenum decal.
I thought they had, but I'm not 100% sure. I'll have to check tomorrow evening when I'm back at home.
Posted 05 May 2010 - 09:20 AM
I could go on as to how glaringly inaccurate the kit is from either the GT or the Cobra standpoints; but at least we do have a fair starting point to go from.
Edited by whale392, 05 May 2010 - 09:29 AM.
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Posted 05 May 2010 - 12:15 PM
As for the Monogram /Revell Mustangs. It was mentioned that the steering wheel changed, for the air bag cars 90 +, but so did the steering column. So while the 93 Cobra includes the air bag steering wheel... None of the kits have the right steering column for an airbag car. You would need to make your own, or customize one to fit.
Posted 05 May 2010 - 12:26 PM
Mike if your doing a well worn one you could use the "Cobra " parts to your advantage. Take a look in any mag you'll see a lot of the stuff from the Cobra body as aftermarket parts. I know a dude with a 92 GT that is pretending to be a cobra at this point lol Dunno if he's ever going to paint the new parts to match tho lol
Posted 05 May 2010 - 04:26 PM
Rick; no harm was meant in my reply and I hope you didn't take any offence to it. Maybe when the Fox build is done, we could do an SN95-New Edge build!
Posted 06 May 2010 - 02:41 PM
Posted 06 May 2010 - 02:50 PM
Got the donor body, for the coupe. I now have the engine bay and rear bumper roughed in. I had to primer the body, as I was begining to go cross eyed staring at the sea of white...
It would appear I still have a little work to do on the front bumper...
Posted 06 May 2010 - 04:28 PM
Posted 06 May 2010 - 05:53 PM
I need to figure out what I'm going to build for this thread. I have some progress made on the MPC 79 Cobra, but I've kinda lost motivation on it, and I've got plenty of other things to work on instead.
Posted 08 May 2010 - 04:26 AM
Yes, the Saleen S281 Speedster kit has an excellent 1/25th scale representation of a Cobra-style intake.
Body looks good to me Jason. I will post pics of what little work I did on mine soon.
As far as I know, no one has done a tube K-Member yet; I have one in the works (Maximum Mootrsports unit), but that is a long way off.
Posted 08 May 2010 - 06:17 AM
Your welcome, Bradley. By the way, I haven't forgot about the build, I've been busy working on my 1:1 Ford F350 lately, so haven't had much time to work on the T-Bird, but I hope to have some more progress on it soon.
Thanks for the birthday wish Matt!