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#21 MADD FABRICATOR

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 04:50 PM

Hey gang, for those of you following this thread, I'd like to pass on a little info to you. I been asked several times why we choose to go with fiberglass rather than resin for the body and some of the parts. It certainly isn't the quickest way to produce a number of bodies.
I'm going to turn these questions over to the Madd Fabricator (my glass mentor), he been doing bodies this way longer than I have and can give you more info than I can.
I've been sold on glass for large bodies since I first laid hands on some of his Willy's parts, anyhow I'll turn this area over to him as I'm sure he will be able to answer any questions that pop up far better than I could.

In reply to why a fiberglass ( 'glass), body, probably the number one reason is because of the weight factor. A fiberglass body can weigh less than one half of what the cast resin body would weigh, while still having a higher strength to weight ratio. This means less weight on the chassis and suspension components, which tend to be somewhat on the fragile side if done in true scale. In order to cast a resin body the size of the 'Cuda it is necessary to make the casting much thicker than what a 'glass body needs to be in order for it to keep it's shape over time. Thin cast resin is very prone to warping as time goes by. With hand laid fiberglass I can adjust any area of concern during the lay up process, without having to recreate or modify any part of the mold. This allows TDR to satisfy a customers request for additional " beef up", or decrease the amount of material in any part of the body. You can't do that with a poured cast resin body without a lot of hassle.
Should the builder decide to modify or customize the 'glass body: A 'glass body is much easier to modify / customize using the same products and procedures that a regular body shop or hot rod shop would use on a full size car. All required materials are readily available at the local auto parts supplier or a Wal-Mart style store which means no need to search out any specialized resin suitable products.
Having produced numerous 'glass bodies over the many years that I have been working with 'glass, and also having done a considerable amount of resin casting of both small and large components I feel that 'glass bodies, although taking longer to produce, are well worth the time and effort.
Yes, some long time modelers who have never worked with anything other than resin cast bodies are apt to say that, they'll have to learn some new ways of working with 'glass. To them I'll say, there is practically no difference between the two when it comes to procedures, and very few, if any, changes in the materials you purchase.
I'll even go out on a limb here, with a promise to pay the first of any of the original investors who receives a 'glass body from TDR, and they are not satisfied with the product, please ship the body to me, at your expense, and I will gladly refund your investment. Remember, this only applies to any of the original investors and to only the first investor who isn't happy with a fiberglass body. Such a deal !!!
I'm sure there will be additional questions as the TDR 'Cuda draws closer to reality. I'll try and answer any and all questions as they arise.
CHEERZZZZ !!!!!!! MADD FABRICATOR

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 06:39 PM

I'd like to answer Rick's comments.

In regards to "Pro Street" vs "Pro Touring" I agree that Pro Street is getting tired. Having said that, in our catalog at www.tdrcatalog.com you will find a Pro Street chassis. Its the same one that I'm putting under my Willys coupe. This chassis comes with three different width front clips and two rear clips. Yes, its Pro Street, but there's nothing to stop a builder from producing his own rear clip in order to go the Pro Touring route. Keep in mind that this is our first 8th scale chassis and its designed to work under several body styles. If the demand is there, we'd consider looking at other chassis options.

In regards to Rick's question about financing.......yes, there is a financing option. We'd be happy to set up an interest free plan but please keep in mind that we won't ship until payment in full has been rec'd. This option applies to all TDR products.

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Posted 29 April 2010 - 07:12 AM

I'm waiting on a few supplies supplies to start making the fiberglass mold for this beast, so let's take a look at few more of the "support" pieces that are in progress. These are not items that will be included with the basic body but down the road a bit they may be offered as part of a package deal available to you guys that would like to build a Cuda that doesn't require as much scratch building on your end & is a bit closer to stock. We'll see how it goes and if there is enough interest TDR will, no doubt, put them into production.

So understand guys, TDR reacts to input from you when it comes to new products, in progress project goodies etc. Before I open a can of worms let me say if you want an Edsel chances are slim...LOL. Without your input...it ain't gonna happen. In other words....TDR listens to you, that's why we started this thing. This thread is about the Cuda but it's a simple thing to contact TDR and talk to any of the TDR group, we're here because of you........so speak up.

Anyway, all that aside here's a few pics of some interior tub chunks in progress....

Front bucket seat...3 pieces, seat, back & back panel. Rear seat...2 pieces.....seat & back.


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Big deal you say...where the door panels?
Well my friends, here's the door panels and a rough mock up of the beginnings of the interior tub....

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Next up......steering wheel and column.

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Posted 01 May 2010 - 02:34 AM

Here's a shot of a full size stock '71 interior, note the lack of a center console. As far as I know a console wasn't offered in this car for 1971. The red interior is a 1970 and it shows a console. Also note the difference in the pattern on the the seats. I'm asked occasionally if I scale things up from 1/24th or 1/25th when working with these biggies, the answer to that (at least in my case) is no. I'm sure some folks do but I find that the little kits already have too many "fudge" factors built in and for the most part are some what lacking in detail.
I bought the R/M Hemi 'Cuda (1/24th) and will be posting some pics of it beside the 1/8th for size comparison but (in my opinion) it just doesn't look right.

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Posted 01 May 2010 - 04:45 AM

Steering wheel, horn button, and steering column. No....I'm not going to add the ignition switch to the steering column, B) :D :D

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Posted 01 May 2010 - 05:01 AM

don, i for one appreciate when people go the extra distance to make things correct. the effort that's being put forth here, to move 1/8 scale into the muscle car era, is extraordinary. keep up the "extreme" effort, it doesn't go un-noticed or under appreciated.

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Posted 01 May 2010 - 07:05 AM

Thanks Dave,
I want everyone to understand that I don't deserve all the credit for this...the 'Cuda project was well under way and the "bones" I have were very well done indeed.
I'm taking a started project up a notch or two with the help of TDR and large scale enthusiasts like yourself.

We have been stuck with what the big kids (Tamiya, R/M, etc.) have deemed fit to supply us with for far too long and we certainly aren't in a position to compete with the mass production injection molding corps.
Rather than go the wish list route or whine about it, TDR was formed.

Through old school craftsmanship and the new technology that the TDR design team brings to the table. It's all good, my friend.

There is a lot of stuff available in smaller scales but up to this point 1/8th has taken a back seat, as dedicated as TDR is to scale and accuracy...that's going to change.

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Posted 01 May 2010 - 08:06 AM

Just how big is 1/8th?
It's this big.........that's a 1/24th scale R/M Hemi 'Cuda next to the 1/8th master.


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See what I meant when I said earlier in this thread that the 1/24th just didn't look right?

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Posted 01 May 2010 - 10:14 PM

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Don, that's been one of my bigger complaints against the Revellogram '71 'Cuda for years now. Too much (incorrect) tumblehome, quad headlights too far apart among other things.

To the casual builder these faux pas are probably no big deal. But to us "proportion snobs", it's driven me crazy for years that Revell still hasn't seen fit to bring us a CORRECT modern 1970-71 Barracuda.

This is gonna be one FANTASTIC kit when it arrives! Now I gotta figure out what can I get rid of in my stash so I can come up with enough bucks to get one! :lol:


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Posted 02 May 2010 - 12:41 AM

Very cool stuff!

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Posted 02 May 2010 - 03:20 AM

Very cool stuff!

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No need to dump your stash Bill, there is still much work to be done on this project.
Grab yourself a "Fish" bowl :D and start tossing your spare change in it.

One of the biggest reasons I'm posting this in progress development of the car is to give you modelers time to offer suggestions, make running changes, etc.
Changes or any of that can be accomplished at this point, once I have the finished molds done it will be very difficult to change or correct anything.

TDR has been putting in a lot of hours to bring you guys some new goodies including bodies, starter kits to include a body and many of the other parts to complete a car.
The goal here is to allow you modelers to either purchase just a body and add the support pieces as your hobby budget allows or purchase the whole thing at one time and save a couple of bucks on shipping etc.

We have no intention of now or ever offering a product to you guys for sale that was rushed to market just to make a few bucks. If a product isn't up to TDR's standards it gets scrapped or re-done.......period.

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Thank you Len....glad you like it.

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Posted 02 May 2010 - 05:19 AM

How 'bout a wheel?
Pictures are of the wheel for this car but I stuck it into a couple of R/M tires just for giggles to see if it would fit the opening.....yep.

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Well, gang...that's where I'm at to date on this project. Now it's off to the final sanding and prep work on the body and getting a mold made.
The mold will be a 5 piece bolt together assembly constructed of fiberglass.

I want to hand laminate the body (unless I run into a problem) in glass as a one piece unit.
There is no way that would be possible without a mold I can take apart to remove the casting from the mold without destroying the mold or the casting.
The mold will be constructed from fiberglass as well and unlike the silly putty used for resin casting it doesn't have a lot of give or tolerance for undercutting.

No worries, I have the Madd Fabricator looking over my shoulder and if the mold doesn't pass his calibrated eyeball test I'll have to do it over.

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Posted 02 May 2010 - 10:09 AM

I can't wait to get mine. I'm one of the original investors and my heart is racing just reading this thread. FYI- I'm going to get all "1988" on mine. Blown hemi, steamroller tires, parachute on the street, Lenco trans. Pro Street Forever!

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Posted 02 May 2010 - 12:51 PM

I can't wait to get mine. I'm one of the original investors and my heart is racing just reading this thread. FYI- I'm going to get all "1988" on mine. Blown hemi, steamroller tires, parachute on the street, Lenco trans. Pro Street Forever!


Sounds like a winner to me.......you original investors will be the first kids on the block to get a fiberglass body.
TDR has made it clear that no bodies will go to market until you have been taken care of.
I'm looking forward to seeing what you do with them...lots of possibilities. I know you guys have waited a long time for these to see the light of day, I'm not going to go into all that.

TDR has only had it for a short while in comparison but I'll keep you posted on it's progress. We want you guys to be happy with them and feel like you got your investments worth.

If any of you original guys have any suggestions, questions or just want to do a little pipe dreamin' about what you are going to do with yours...please feel free to post in this thread. That will make them easy for me to find and we can share a little think tanking while I'm slinging glass & frustrating myself. Besides, it keeps me on my toes and focused to get it done.

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Posted 02 May 2010 - 09:51 PM

OMG !!
Someone please pass the respirator.......I thought I just saw a 1/8 'Cuda...................;) Tell me it ain't so.....I still have too many 1/12 to finish. B)
I better start saving.......seriously quick.........

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Posted 03 May 2010 - 02:53 AM

OMG !!
Someone please pass the respirator.......I thought I just saw a 1/8 'Cuda...................;) Tell me it ain't so.....I still have too many 1/12 to finish. :lol:
I better start saving.......seriously quick.........


You're not hallucinating Stump, sorry I can't help you with the respirator. ;)
I looked through your linked build pics.........great stuff.

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Posted 03 May 2010 - 01:17 PM

And of course, you will be giving some away as a promo, right? :lol:
I'll be looking for an e-mail telling me where to pick it up... :lol:

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Posted 03 May 2010 - 08:31 PM

Hey, thanks Don. :lol: Glad you like some of my work too mate.

Well, now I have my breath back, all I can say is.....I can't wait to start collecting some 1/8 stuff now.....:) Too kool for words......
Of ALL the muscle cars of all time, the 70-71 'Cuda would be my second fav......a close second behind the 70 1/2 Camaro...;)

So unless you tell me you are going to start on one of them (did I hear someone say Motion...;) ) I'll start saving for one of these beauties..;)


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Posted 03 May 2010 - 08:53 PM

As a few here know I freelance write for 'real car' magazines, so if you really want some attention for these things, e-mail me direct so I can set some editors up for pics. I do the same thing for several diecast companies and aftermarket parts sources, with excellent results... (okay, MOST of the time...)

I know you're gonna want to actually SELL the ###### things, (can't eat 'em, it messes up the paint) and I
d be happy to help. I operate from one principal... 'You can't get the customers money til you get the customers attention'...
Rick Rothermel 702-684-3418 rickr442@gmail.com

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Posted 04 May 2010 - 03:19 AM

Appreciate that Rick, I'll ask Rick (TDR Rick) to contact you by email for a chat.