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[Jairus]

351 Cleveland - Monogram 1970 Ford Torino GT
Cobra DOHC Modular with SC - Revell Super Stallion Mustang
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[raisin27]

The motor in the Monogram Torino is the big block 429. I personally dont know of any kit with a cleveland mill except for maybe some of the NASCAR kits (the AMT taurus nascar kit I won as a door prize has a Chevy motor in it!) You could use parts from the Boss 302 motor in AMT's 69 Cougar or Monograms Mustang to make a pretty convincing cleveland mill. The heads and valve covers are the same.

Here is a cleveland mill I made using this method.............

[MonoPed]

Revell's '99 Cobra has an N/A 4.6L DOHC, Revell F-150 Lightning has a blown 5.4L SOHC, and the PL Ford GT has a Blown 5.4L SOHC with a transaxle, even though it should have DOHC heads. I think the Revell Mustang Mach III concept car had a blown 4.6L DOHC as well.

[Jairus]

Well, that is correct in that the engine from the Torino is labeled as a 429.... however, since there are no decent kits which contain the short production Cleveland 351 (1970 – 1974). I suggested starting with the Torino engine. It CAN be built up into a very believable 351 Cleveland because I did it!

You see, I used to own a 1972 Mustang Mach 1 with a 4 main bearing version of this engine.

I spent a lot of time on my back under that engine in the 5 years it was in my garage and I can tell you first hand that the Torino engine is the closest you will find! You could source the heads from the ’70 Boss 302 as they ARE Cleveland heads… but the differences are so slight as to be nearly nonexistent.
While I had the Mach, I replaced the pan gasket; the timing chain, the starter, radiator, and valve cover gaskets, rebuilt the 4bb carb twice and fretted over the vacuum tubing constantly. It got to the point that I could work on that engine without turning on the freaking light…

Michael "Raisin" Garrett is correct however, that you could use one of the NASCAR kit engines. But unfortunately that will require you to find another source for a correct oil pan, correct intake manifold and auxiliary components. The Torino already has those plus the correct 4-speed tranny. Why make it harder than it needs to be?
The only major modification I made on my conversion was cutting away the forward part of the intake manifold so that the cooling hose and distributor could be mounted directly to the top deck of the block, as this is the most obvious feature of the Cleveland. The rest of the casting is spot on with the Cleveland including the timing cover, oil pan, fuel pump, water pump and block casting details.

Okay? Okay!

[bigphoto]

Another option would be the engine from any of the MPC early 80's
Ford Bronco kits as they are supposed to be 400ci and that engine
is part of the "335" series that Ford produced which included
the 351C, 351M and 400 the latter two were essntially the same as
the first only basically smog motors and used the big block bellhousing
I know there were other minor differences but it will pass for a Cleveland
easily I may have one floating around let me know offline if you want it
also you can use the valve covers from the MPC/AMT Boss 351 kit!

HTH

[bigphoto]

While I had the Mach, I replaced the pan gasket; the timing chain, the starter, radiator, and valve cover gaskets, rebuilt the 4bb carb twice and fretted over the vacuum tubing constantly. It got to the point that I could work on that engine without turning on the freaking light…

I feel your pain Jairus as I am that way around the old FE and 300 six bangers

[raisin27]

Check out scalemodelingbychris.com they just released a resin 351 cleveland mill in 3 versions. Factory stock (4bbl), Street rod (with 3 valve cover options), and Pro stock (dual quads on a high rise manifold)

Raisin