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#341 Danno

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 01:43 AM

You know, thats one thing I have always wondered about, why for the most part, its uncommon out here on the west coast for city/county's to use paddy wagons, like they do on the east coast.



The biggest reason you see a tradition of paddy wagons in the East is driven by the way the US grew up. There has always been a higher concentration of population East of the Mississippi River (including St. Louis, which was the biggest city in "The West" and served as the 'last outpost of civilization' when the settlement of the western frontier began). The cities in the East were built up (tall buildings) rather than out (sprawl) because there were so many people to pack into small (geographically speaking) areas.

As a result, most of the cities in the East had huge populations living in physically small areas. Police could and did patrol and keep the peace on foot. When an arrest was necessary, however, the foot patrol officer could not effectively transport a prisoner or two to the station. So, a wagon was employed to circulate among the foot patrol beats for the purpose of picking up arrestees and hauling them to the station.

Contrast that to the wild, wild West where land was far more plentiful than people. Police could not walk beats. So, law enforcement in the West grew up more dependent on lone patrol officers having all the tools they needed at hand, including a means of moving prisoners themselves. There were no circulating paddy wagons to transport prisoners, so those new-fangled patrol cars were equipped with onboard prisoner detention accomodations. Originally, sturdy loops on the floors to attach shackle chains; later, what we call "cages" or "prisoner shields" separating the front seat from the 'customer service' area.

Notice also that Denver, Los Angeles, and San Francisco became very large cities early in the growth of the Western U.S. They had downtown areas that grew "up" with dense urban populations, similar to the Eastern cities. Foot patrols and paddy wagons were employed in those locales, much like the East. In later years, other population centers like Wichita and Phoenix utilized paddy wagons.

But the use of paddy wagons has always been dictated by population density and the presence or absence of foot patrolling.


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 05:11 AM

Danno hit it on the head right there.

Check this site, lots of good pics, and memories.

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http://www.slpva.com...citypolice.html

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 10:18 AM

That all makes sense Dan, thank you , something I always wondered.

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 02:09 PM

That all makes sense Dan, thank you , something I always wondered.



No prob. I know everything ~ I'm the police chief.


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Posted 18 August 2012 - 04:43 PM

:huh:

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 10:23 AM

I'll add this one to the thread as well.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 08:47 PM

Nice, G. Quite nice!


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Posted 01 October 2012 - 01:56 PM

I thought I'd switch coasts for this next one, decades too. A 1949 Ford RMP from the 41st precinct in the Bronx. Known later as "Fort Apache" this was a really nice neighborhood in '49.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 02:35 PM

Hey Wayne, I am going to join in here, I am going to be building this, doing it for a group build off on EScale
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I have to thank the Chief for selling me the kit ;)

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 03:57 PM

Hmmmm Great minds think alike, I've got an Daytona to go with my Monaco though.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 04:09 PM

Hmmmm Great minds think alike, I've got an Daytona to go with my Monaco though.

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I have to agree about great minds there Nick, I need to find me a Daytona kit at a good price to add to it

I say go for it ;)

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 05:58 AM

Gotta clear my bench first but, both will be on deck soon enough ;)

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 07:21 AM

Hey Wayne, I am going to join in here, I am going to be building this, doing it for a group build off on EScale

I have to thank the Chief for selling me the kit ;)




Selling you the kit? I d@#g near GAVE it to you!!!


Boy, did I get taken!
See if I ever sell you anything when you parade your darling little girl around.
Makes us grampa-types lose all common sense!


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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:58 AM

Selling you the kit? I d@#g near GAVE it to you!!!


Boy, did I get taken!
See if I ever sell you anything when you parade your darling little girl around.
Makes us grampa-types lose all common sense!


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And I really appreciateyou selling it to me at the price you did ;) :D I think I feel bad for darn near stealing it from you :(

All I know is I am very much screwed when she gets older :lol:

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:59 AM

Just wait junior, just wait.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 02:17 PM

Just wait junior, just wait.

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I know, I am not looking forward to it :lol:

Dan, Wayne, what color should the chassis on the Monaco be painted? body color?, primer with over spray?, I looked it up, but couldnt find anything useful online

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 11:03 AM

Body in color, up next is the clear coat
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:05 AM

Everything in primer gray but the A arms, and rear end? those are black. IIRC the torsion bars are unpainted as are the leaf springs. There should be some overspray on the edges of the chassis. don't go overboard, these weren't painted by super flexible robots or long armed gorillas.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:23 PM

Oh ######, well I didnt even get it close, well I did get some over spray on it :lol:

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 02:33 AM

What Wayne said.



The rear leaf springs should be a pale gold-bronze color ... to represent bare steel coated with cosmoline.


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