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[Ace-Garageguy]

I know very little about the 1:1 build, other than what's apparent from the pix.

 

Does anyone know how the 'chrome' side trim was made? Hammered stainless? Cast aluminum?

 

Up top's kinda ugly, but most tops with side curtains are, so that's no points against it.

[Ace-Garageguy]

 

PS. I volunteer to create digital files of the necessary parts to produce a traditional-chassis '32 that will fit Revell's existing bodies. 100% correct dimensions, guaranteed, taken from real parts currently in the shop. Cheap, relative to what it would probably cost to do it in-house. Anyone have an inside pipeline to Revell's product development guys? References available on request.

...and while I'm at it, I'll have 3D (in as fine a resolution as I can get) parts printed to serve as 'test shots' to verify that everything will in fact fit as designed. What a deal.

 

All that would be required at that point is to CNC 'cut the tool'. I know American companies that would happily do that too, probably on a competitive cost basis with the Chinese. Gauntlet dropped.

[Danny Lectro]

I just picked up a Rat Roaster a few hours ago. As indicated in Dr. Cranky's unboxing, some of the parts are surprisingly flashy for a new tool kit. I feel like the side trim on the body is a bit poorly defined, making it hard to tell where to apply bare-metal foil. That being said, i still think it looks like a nice kit, and I am looking forward to getting started on it.

[Casey]

I feel like the side trim on the body is a bit poorly defined, making it hard to tell where to apply bare-metal foil.

 

Isn't the side trim represented by decals on the decal sheet? I'm thinking that due to the "barb" spur section of the Rat Roaster's trim, Revell decided to not make that a permanent, prominent feature on the body, and instead provided the decals for those who want to to build an accurate replica.

 

Did anyone else notice the hood, fenders, rad shell, radiator/electric fan, firewall and rear wheel houses are on a separate sprue?  Hmmm, that sure makes it easy to leave those out of the next, modified reissue of this kit...

 

[kitswapper]

I bought the kit too today... and it's a great little kit... as a former IPMS vice president and also one of the original owners and founders of SLIXX decals and have had the honor with working with all these companies at one time or another. You can't ever please the "rivet counters"whether it's a kit of a decal.(reason why I left IPMS) .Guys we are lucky were getting new tooling of any kind. To quote my old friend the late Bud "the Kat" Anderson from AMT  "it's a nitch industry"period. Observations and feedback for the manufactures are great, but no model is ever going to be perfect. This hobby depends on sales and tooling is so so expensive they really did a good job on this car great great parts and a little flast big deal.. anyone remember MPC kits LOL.This was just my MHO..

Edited by kitswapper, 26 January 2013 - 06:04 PM.

[blubaja]

Where ???  So many extras...I want to THANK Revell for a great kit !!!

 

They have failed again to make a 100% replica of a 1:1. And went the lazy route with some parts. 

[Pete L.]

Kinda looks like this car...

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[southpier]

...can't ever please the "rivet counters"....Guys we are lucky were getting new tooling of any. . kind. To quote my old friend the late Bud "the Kat" Anderson from AMT  "it's a nitch industry"period . Observations and feedback for the manufactures are great, but no model is ever going to be perfect. This hobby depends on sales...

 

i thinks it's the world we have created for ourselves. we can't fix the real problems, so we fixate on the minutiae

[CEKPETHO BCE]

I wonder how much longer before we get the correct front axle and quickchange rear end in a 32 Ford kit. I think that's the only thing we're missing from Revell (in 1/25 scale) to build a McMullen Roadster.

[Chuck Kourouklis]

Will there come a day I no longer have to repeat this stuff so frequently? One can dream...

 

If a manufacturer doesn't generate new product, we're gonna run out of reasons to make new purchases.  New tooling is not something we're lucky to get, it's what a manufacturer had better generate if it wants to stay in business.  And while they'll never produce the perfect kit (that once again, nobody is asking for in the first place), it'd be helpful if they got the more obvious stuff down.

 

The tooling for this kit is 100% virgin steel, nothing in common with the '96 deuces except basic master patterns for the body and running gear.  While they were going to the trouble to cut an entirely new tool, Revell could have made this more accurate to the subject AND enhanced its desirability to the trad crowd simply by making a front beam axle.  If they're pinching pennies on new master patterns, surely the BIg Deuce's axle could have been used as a rough master?  

 

We'll just set aside the rear axle that has airbags even though it is a new, wider piece, the rear suspension arms and frame reinforcement that don't quite match, and the lack of external door hinges - you don't really see the former and you can scratch up that last in about 90 seconds with scrap plastic.  Heck, you've even got a decent start at the hood sides in the previous high boy kit.

 

The beam axle is the chief gripe, and you don't need a caliper to see it.  It's a prominent inaccuracy for the Roaster and a desirable piece denied to many who would have gladly bought this kit for it. To dare to discuss this omission is not to harp on minutiae, it's not counting rivets, it's not the same as calling every mainstream offering "so horrible" or any other slope that grinds to a quick halt no matter how much anyone pretends it's slippery.

 

Y'know, despite all the criticism to date, manufacturers keep doing obvious things like this to invite more criticism.  That fact alone should make it remedially clear that kit criticism has nowhere near as much effect on a company's bottom line as say, swings in the economy, the fickleness of big-box retailers, and the occasional DOA subject choice. 

[Danny Lectro]

 

Isn't the side trim represented by decals on the decal sheet? I'm thinking that due to the "barb" spur section of the Rat Roaster's trim, Revell decided to not make that a permanent, prominent feature on the body, and instead provided the decals for those who want to to build an accurate replica.

There are decals for the side trim, but there is no way they will accurately replicate chrome. At best, they might look like silver paint.

Edited by Danny Lectro, 27 January 2013 - 09:32 AM.

[Draggon]

Kinda looks like this car...

 

Oh dang. Now I'm gonna have to buy another to do this one. Pete..........geez........uggh!

[Bernard Kron]

 

Will there come a day I no longer have to repeat this stuff so frequently? One can dream...

 

If a manufacturer doesn't generate new product, we're gonna run out of reasons to make new purchases.  New tooling is not something we're lucky to get, it's what a manufacturer had better generate if it wants to stay in business.  And while they'll never produce the perfect kit ... it'd be helpful if they got the more obvious stuff down.

 

The tooling for this kit is 100% virgin steel, nothing in common with the '96 deuces except basic master patterns for the body and running gear.  While they were going to the trouble to cut an entirely new tool, Revell could have made this more accurate to the subject AND enhanced its desirability to the trad crowd simply by making a front beam axle.  ...

 

...

 

The beam axle is the chief gripe, and you don't need a caliper to see it.  It's a prominent inaccuracy for the Roaster and a desirable piece denied to many who would have gladly bought this kit for it. To dare to discuss this omission is not to harp on minutiae, it's not counting rivets, it's not the same as calling every mainstream offering "so horrible" ... 

 

 

Well put.

 

We're not rivet counting here. Revell's failure to refresh this series with a Mk. II variant was hinted at with the wide front tires and whitewall decals on the 5-window, and confirmed with the "chrome" decals and lack of a replica front axle on this one. On another site I've begun a thread assessing the compatibility of this kit with the other variants still in production (the Tudor, 3-wndow and 5-window) as well as its compatibility to other kits. I can tell you right off that they've modified the body at the rear pan area so that it's a copy of the Rat Roaster, and that the wheels are incompatible with most kit and aftermarket tires except those that use the same hollow tire and raised ridge system.

 

Kits like the '48 Ford and the recent Oldsmobile were well received for their genuine effort to introduce a more traditional flavor to the product line. Even the chop on the '48 drew relatively muted criticism. Time will tell if Revell still needs to "get it right" with respect to a proper "Traditional" variant, but I suspect the Rat Roaster will be hobbled by it's questionable aesthetics and even more questionable execution, The Traditional movement has been going strong for two decades now and has spawned shorter term sub trends such as rat rods. The market is hungry for a proper execution of this trend. The Deuce roadster was the perfect opportunity to do it. They tried to address it with the 5-window, tackled it well with the '48 Ford and the Olds, but seem to have missed a few steps with this one, IMHO.

Edited by Bernard Kron, 27 January 2013 - 12:27 PM.

[Pete L.]

 

Oh dang. Now I'm gonna have to buy another to do this one. Pete..........geez........uggh!

Or maybe this one...by the way, does anyone remember the name of the car company that had this car in one of their T.V. commercials ? And what was the punch line that one of the charecters uttered at the end of the ad ?

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[CEKPETHO BCE]

I really think this kit will sell well... What I fear, though, is that Revell will think that it's selling well because of the awesomely executed 1:1 car that people try to copy... when, in my opinion, it will only sell due to modelers stocking up on those new firewalls and those rims/tires, possibly engine too. I really hope the next deuce they put out will have the correct front axle and be better molded with no flash.

 

It'd be sad if they thought that cars from TV sell well so they make more kits that resemble TV cars instead of focusing on nicely done parts and traditional style hot rods.

[Draggon]

Now you had to go and post Rudy's beauty!

 

 

But look what happened to it!

 

 

I think  the McMullen roadster is quite do-able with this kit.

 

Edited by Draggon, 27 January 2013 - 02:25 PM.

[Ace-Garageguy]

I really think this kit will sell well... What I fear, though, is that Revell will think that it's selling well because of the awesomely executed 1:1 car that people try to copy... when, in my opinion, it will only sell due to modelers stocking up on those new firewalls and those rims/tires, possibly engine too. I really hope the next deuce they put out will have the correct front axle and be better molded with no flash.

 

It'd be sad if they thought that cars from TV sell well so they make more kits that resemble TV cars instead of focusing on nicely done parts and traditional style hot rods.

Well, celebrity tie-ins sell. We're currently building a 1:1 '32 roadster as traditional as you can get (shiny, too) for a very VERY well known musician, so maybe that could be the next one kitted, eh?

[CEKPETHO BCE]

Well, celebrity tie-ins sell. We're currently building a 1:1 '32 roadster as traditional as you can get (shiny, too) for a very VERY well known musician, so maybe that could be the next one kitted, eh?

 

That would be very nice. Lack of traditional deuce in 1/25 scale straight out of box is one of the biggest first world problems we are faced with on this forum

[Ace-Garageguy]

 

.... Lack of traditional deuce in 1/25 scale straight out of box is one of the biggest first world problems we are faced with on this forum

Now THAT'S funny.

[tim boyd]

Or maybe this one...by the way, does anyone remember the name of the car company that had this car in one of their T.V. commercials ?

 

It was an AMC ad for their '68 Javelin....TB