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#1 mannyclub

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 05:50 AM

Hey modelers,
I tried to buy 2 sets of (parts I will say) Would rather not give names or what the parts are, I was refused buying them because Im a caster and person would not sell them to me. Im just curious if any other casters have ever had this problem before?
I started my business in1994. I have never been refused buying any parts from anyone else because Im a resin caster. I have also never casted any parts etc from any other resin caster and I will not do it. I have been asked by many customers to cast resin parts, and if the part is resin it is for sure NO! Anyone who knows me and has bought from me talked with me etc... know that it would not ever happen.

Do I understand where the person is coming from on this? Of course I understand it. Are there casters out there that cast anything resin or plastic from other casters? OF COURSE. We have all seen it before, so yes I guess it does hurt some of us when we want to buy parts.

So now I cant buy these parts for my personal use now, I think its crazy.

Manny

Edited by mannyclub, 14 January 2012 - 05:51 AM.


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Posted 14 January 2012 - 05:58 AM

That has never happened to me but that is just plain wrong. They can't refuse to sell you something if they are a business.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 06:03 AM

Thanks for your response Patrick.
I do agree.
It is not a legit business though. Just a side thing.
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Posted 14 January 2012 - 06:05 AM

That has never happened to me but that is just plain wrong. They can't refuse to sell you something if they are a business.


Patrick, unfortunately a business can refuse to sell you something if they want. There are many reasons why a business may refuse and in Craig's case, it is a fear of copying and reselling that item, despite his refusal to do so. There are ways around that but then that is being sneaky and I haven't found Craig to be that way.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 06:06 AM

Every business has the right to refuse service. The only restrictions are (and this varies by state) you can not refuse service based upon race, sex, religion, sexual preference and ethnic orgin.
You may think age, but send your 13 year old to buy cigarettes or booze and they should be refused.
I'd love to buy Coca-cola fountain mix but Coke only sells it to their licensed dealers. If I were a caster, would I refuse to sell to you directly, yes. Would I buy someone else's product and modify it (don't flame me yet) and reproduce it. Yes. For the most part resin casters do that all the time. How many plastic kits have you seen "modified and corrected" and then cast and sold. You may not like it, but at the core essence of the casting process, it is a fundamental part of the process. How many parts that are cast are straight or modified kit parts? Compare that to the number that are 100% scratch built.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 06:08 AM

Never have had that problem myself. Nor have I ever treated a customer that way.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 06:13 AM

Same here Chris, I agree 100%

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 06:14 AM

I think the issue becomes protecting your work when it is sold and copied. The car manufacturers extract a nice royalty from the kit manufacturers when they sell kits, to protect themselves. It has transcended to all levels of kits- Revell must get approval and pay royalities to Goodyear if they want to include tires with the Goodyear name on them.

I don't think the top resin casters are copying other resin casters, it probably is more of someone selling a few copies to pay for their resin supplies.

If you want to hear problems with people copying your work (stealing is the word that comes to mind) ask Donn Yost how many DVDs he has sold versus how many are probably in circulation! He was just trying to cover his cost of producing the DVD and make a buck or two, not retire to the Bahamas and yet on an earlier topic here members were bragging about how they made copies of Donn's DVD for friends! That is blatant stealing!

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 06:29 AM

Hey Mike,
Yea I hear ya. I have sold to many other resin casters myself. Parts I mastered or reg. kit parts. It is out of my hands if my parts etc get cast after I have sold them, but i would not refuse a customer.

If it is a part that is mastered by someone or myself and gets cast yes I would get upset about it. (some of us casters dont copy others parts)

If it is a plastic kit part, with no modifications, who cares everyone casts those.

Yea Mike I did read about that Donns Y. dvd's I agree that is steeling.
Manny

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 06:29 AM

I know QUITE a few casters and call them my friends, not just guys I know who cast. NONE of them will cast someone elses stuff. Their morals won't let them. They're ALL honest guys and just wouldn't do it. We've talked about it and that's how they feel about it.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 06:33 AM

Amen George!
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Posted 14 January 2012 - 06:36 AM

The same thing happened to me years ago when i was still manufacturing Van accessories ,. I even had design pattents on some of my items . Lot of good it did as "Counterfit" items were rampant in the industry during that time . I saw loads of Bogus A-C filters at the docks of the Houston Ship Chanel seized by the U. S customs destined for a rather large Chain store operation . Ya can't stop some folks , the're just no good. Ed Shaver

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 06:39 AM

Thats to bad Ed i hear you.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 06:40 AM

I have a customer that buys wheels from me and a week or two later sells copes of less quality on ebay. I have to do the research to make everything the right size and they just have too copy it. In this case there quality makes them not a competitor. I can see why someone would be hesitant to sell to a competitor.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 06:50 AM

Hey Jim,
first of all your stuff is awesome man!
That stinks that your stuff is copied for sure.
There are some of us that dont copy etc.... so now this means that some resin, or aluminum parts I want to buy for my models I now have to hope that they will sell to me because im a resin caster? I dont think that is right at all. So you wouldnt sell me a set of wheels then?
Like I said I do understand, but doesnt it depend on the person and the business without any problems in the past of the current copying parts issues?
I figured one set would be sweet on a 69 Nova
Manny

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 07:02 AM

i buy resin but never copy it or sell it

if its OOP resin i might copy but itll be only for personal use

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 08:24 AM

i buy resin but never copy it or sell it

if its OOP resin i might copy but itll be only for personal use


That is how I have always thought it should be- make copies for personal USE, not GAIN!

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 09:31 AM

Hey Jim,
first of all your stuff is awesome man!
That stinks that your stuff is copied for sure.
There are some of us that dont copy etc.... so now this means that some resin, or aluminum parts I want to buy for my models I now have to hope that they will sell to me because im a resin caster? I dont think that is right at all. So you wouldnt sell me a set of wheels then?
Like I said I do understand, but doesnt it depend on the person and the business without any problems in the past of the current copying parts issues?
I figured one set would be sweet on a 69 Nova
Manny

I will sell to any one even the guy that is copying my stuff. I am just saying I can see how some can get a bad attitude about this. I personal fill life is to short to worry about it and if I keep working hard at making parts the better anyone trying to copy my stuff won't have a chance. I am sorry if I came across like I was justifying someone not selling to you. I was just looking at it from both sides.

What do you cast maybe we can work a trade for some wheels

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 09:36 AM

Just have another friend buy the parts for you.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 09:46 AM

Hey Jim,
No problem at all I understood what you were talking about. Pm sent about trading parts.

Johnny- Yea I could have done that and I have had many pm's about people who would do that for me and i thank them for the offer. I would rather the person just sell them to me, when Im building the car I would have liked to give them the credit for there parts.

Thanks
Manny