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#1 Michigan Madman

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 12:31 AM

Since I’ve got three and a half of these under my belt, I figured I’d share some observations and impressions, both on how they go together out-of-box and how well they take to modification.

BUILDING IMPRESSIONS:

The engine is nicely done, but it is wise to test fit as you go, as some of the holes will need to be reamed out a bit in order to receive the pins on the parts they locate. The assembled engine locks into the chassis in a very positive manner- two holes in the oil pan receive two molded pins, one on the front crossmember, the other molded to the top of the tie rod. A rectangular tab on the bellhousing fits into a similarly-shaped slot on the trans crossmember, and the front engine mounts sit on two flat pads on the frame rails.

Slide the wheels into the tires from behind, so as not to mar the printed white sidewalls as the ‘paddles’ molded to the wheels will scrape against the tire bead as they are pushed home. Also, it would be wise to chase out the mounting bosses on the wheels to clear out any plating residue, eliminating any chance of the bosses splitting when the plastic pins (front spindles) or metal rear axle is inserted into them.

The frames in all the kits seem to have a slight warp, but fitting it to its mounting holes in the floor pan and clamping it in place as the glue sets solves that problem.
The decals set very well with no need for setting solution, but be very careful when positioning them- once in place, they hunker down good and fast, and don’t like to be moved once off the backer and onto a painted or foiled surface.

The way the completed chassis/interior assembly slots into the body is quite satisfying- the two assemblies fit so securely you won’t need glue. I will recommend sanding off the mold lines on the sides of the radiator (a must anyway), but go a bit further and sand a little bit more material off the sides, and possibly the inside of the core support as well, the radiator is a TIGHT fit into the core support.

Don’t forget to foil the window trim molded to the clear parts!

The windshield almost snaps into place- the rear window unit can be a bit fiddly. Best course of action seems to be removing the mounting posts for it molded to the headliner, and then splitting the rear glass unit into its three components- backlight and rear quarter glass. The rear window seems easiest to install by slipping the bottom edge home, then gently working your way up, pushing the window until it seats into place.
The majority of the chrome parts fit well, but the front bumper tends to want to lean back if left unsecured while the glue sets, which will give the bumper a sad-face look when you look at the car from straight ahead. Tape the center of the bumper down as the glue sets, being mindful that the bumper is horizontal in front, and along both sides. Also, keep in mind you will likely need to open up the mounting holes for the side mirrors and wipers a bit to ensure they settle into place properly.

PROBLEMS:

We’ve all seen the kits with bad flash- not much can be done about that now, though Dave Metzner has said the manufacturing facility has been made aware of the problem, and told not to let it happen again.

All the kits out now have bad air cleaner decals. A request with an SASE to Moebius will get you as many corrected sheets as you need.

The cut lines for the rear fender skirts are too far forward. This will be fixed on later reissues of the kit. In the meantime, filling the existing vertical cut lines and moving the front one roughly 5mm rearward and the rear line about 3mm rearward is the best fix.

Watch out on the part number callouts for the side mirrors and wing vent glass- the part numbers are flip flopped side to side.

The instruction sheet is mostly pretty good, but some subassembly diagrams only show one side, leaving a bit of guesswork regarding parts location on the side not shown. There is a very helpful color guide, but no color callouts in the actual assembly sequence.

CUSTOM MODS:

In short- if you wish to lower rear of the car, be prepared for a lot of grinding. You will probably need to raise the transmission tunnel so the driveshaft will fit into the snout on the differential- you might also need to extend the tunnel all the way back to gain clearance for the differential snout. You will also need to modify or omit the upper piece of the rear crossmember which traps the driveshaft and exhaust system.

Lowering blocks can be made from simple slices of rectangular styrene strip, but depending on how low you go, you might want to look into de-arching or otherwise modifying/replacing the leaf springs and shocks, so as to gain ground clearance and not violate the ‘scrub line’.

Like most early IFS cars, bring the nose of the Hudson down too far and the front crossmember will be dangerously close to the ground- a thinner crossmember, mounted higher up in the frame, or a GM or Mustang II front clip will need to be adapted if you want the car to really hug the pavement.

The engine bay will accept pretty much anything short of a Cummins turbo diesel, but for most V8 swaps at the very least you will need to remove the mounting pins for the stock engine, and more than likely move the transmission crossmember rearward. To avoid possible interference with the V8’s left valve cover when installing the chassis into the body, you may need to trim the battery tray back a little bit depending on what V8 you use and how it is positioned in the chassis. Keep in mind- Hudsons were available with GM Hydramatic transmissions- so early GM overheads were common swap fodder for them, though again, pretty much anything is fair game.

Edited by Chuck Most, 24 January 2012 - 12:34 AM.


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Posted 24 January 2012 - 01:11 AM

Thanks Chuck!!!!

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 02:59 AM

good info to have! still waiting for the roof color to gas out before i touch mine again.... hadn't thought about having to foil the glass, and didn't have any idea about the rear glass fitting. don't plan on any lowriders, though....

Moebius is going to recut the tool to correct the spats? wow.... hmmm. does that make our "wrong" kits worth millions of internet bucks?

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 04:29 AM

Thanks, Chuck, for this wonderful document which should help lots of folks about to tackle the kit for the first time.

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 04:28 PM

Moebius is going to recut the tool to correct the spats? wow.... hmmm. does that make our "wrong" kits worth millions of internet bucks?

Sorry, Curt... I think you have to have a popular YouTube video in order to become an internet millionaire. :lol:

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 06:49 PM

Thanks, Chuck! Good notes to have! Going to print this and put it with my kits.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 06:11 PM

Moebius is going to recut the tool to correct the spats? wow.... hmmm. does that make our "wrong" kits worth millions of internet bucks?

Wouldn't it be funny if 20 years from now those kits are worth a lot of money?

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 12:43 PM

Thanks Chuck. I had mine in primer all ready to shoot color and you tell me the skirts are in the wrong place! Sure enough, I put the body on the chassis and you're right. So I'm filling and recutting. It's a bear filling and sanding without destroying the trim!

Seriously, thanks for the heads-up. I never would have noticed until it was too late. Did they make the correction to the Flock '52 or does that need the fix as well? I've got one but haven't opened it yet.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 01:44 PM

I don't know if it is fixed on the Flock '52, my guess would be no. From what I hear it will be dealt with on the next production run- not sure when that will be.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 05:27 PM

Wouldn't it be funny if 20 years from now those kits are worth a lot of money?

I got enough of them.
Darn, Already cut the Skirts off of one, Guess I just ruined a Rare kit.. :( :D

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 05:51 PM

Thanks for this one Chuck.... that Hudson kit is sitting on my shelf and just bugging the living (you know what) out of me.... but now It seems like a great one to pick out and start!!!

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 08:09 AM

Oh- one other thing- the 'Twin H Power' lettering on the decklid looks like it might get lost under a few coats of primer and paint, but so far I've had pretty good luck not gunking it up. I like to apply foil to it first, before primer and paint (and clear if applicable) then gently polish the area to expose the foiled lettering.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 05:57 PM

Convertible kit will have revised fender skirts - future runs of coupe will also have the fix.
However unfortunately the Tim Flock kit has the same body as the 53 coupe - without the corrected skirts.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 08:45 AM

Can someone please help me with part #'s 108 & 109? The wiper motors? They have a strange tapered tab that looks like they won't fit into the corresponding mounting holes on the firewall bulkhead. Do they fit, and did you do any mods to make it fit? Thanks.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 09:05 AM

Can someone please help me with part #'s 108 & 109? The wiper motors? They have a strange tapered tab that looks like they won't fit into the corresponding mounting holes on the firewall bulkhead. Do they fit, and did you do any mods to make it fit? Thanks.

On the earlier kits, there were some really long pieces left from the ejector pins- these should be cut off flush with the bottom of the wiper actuator.
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The knife blade is pointing to the mounting pin here. You may have to trim the mounting pin or open up its locator hole on the firewall a bit, but they should fit nice and flush against the firewall once in place.
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Posted 10 February 2012 - 09:10 AM

Here is how they should look once installed.
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Posted 10 February 2012 - 12:29 PM

Sweet! Thanks Chuck.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 12:50 PM

Still more detail questions, if you don't mind. What appears to be a metal water hose exits from the top of the front housing, and runs down the side of the head above the intake, where it terminates between the two carbs for a rubber hose to take it to the firewall.
So the Q is, don't heater cores have a return hose to the block? Where is the one on the Hudson?

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 02:00 PM

Here are two pics, first one shows heater hose position on water pump, second one, you can see the plug on the side of the head by the second to last spark plug, hose goes there.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 08:42 PM

To be truthful,the best 'reference' pic I have seen of the heater hose assembly is in Bill and Len's article. It's difficult to get a nice, uncluttered look at it in most online photos I've dug up. Next time I'm in the vicinity of a 1:1 step-down Hudson, I'll be sure to snap a few photos.