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Lets see some "phantoms", cars that never ran or were submitted but never used for cup racing.....


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#1 Steve Rocketwheels Buckner

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 08:34 AM

seeing the Mirada and Imperials that are under construction has got me excited again!

I've got the Little CeasarsLincoln MKIII and also the BoJangles Cougar from the 90's in resin, but those are still in the box waiting for some inspiration.

What other cars were propsed or built but never made it to Cup racing? I know a few cars were used once or twice, like the '69 GrandPrix and the early 70's Grand Am.

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I did build a phantom Torino "King Cobra"(R&D Resin body combined with Revell Promodel Torino and PolarLights Cyclone chassis), and started on the Daytona II (AMT 71 Charger with AMT Daytona add ons), Superbird II (MPC kit right out the box) and also the Mercury "Super Cyclone" (Unkown resin with addition of scraps such as the hood from Datsun280zx).

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 03:28 PM

Interesting topic. I don't know enough history to offer anything about phantoms.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 04:27 PM

This is a very interesting topic, that King Cobra Torino look great. I have an old Supercar Magazine issue with an article on the original yellow concept car and clay study model. Your other projects look equaly interesting and inspiring,please keep us posted in their progress.

#4 Steve Rocketwheels Buckner

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 06:27 PM

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Ed Negre in a Chrysler Cordoba , labeled as a Dodge

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 06:40 PM

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Ed Negre in a Chrysler Cordoba , labeled as a Dodge


Nice seeing these obscure cars that never made it. I remember John Soars running a 1965/66 Rambler Ambassador with #4 on the door. Might have the drivers name wrong though.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 07:08 PM

Worked on this Phantom Buick but am going to do it over......

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 03:40 PM

Bob, That is a wild look. What year is it?

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 05:01 PM

I don't want to hijack this thread but if you search on the workbench for RiviAirEh you can see I started with a '69 Riviera.

Mine is kind of a "phantom phantom", in my mind it was never run in a race but it was built and driven/tested. I have my story for it in my head ;)

I really love your builds for this thread Steve, got any more of them for us to look at?

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 04:14 AM

That Buick is a good start at a what if ! I think someone actual ran a similar buick back then, I think I have a pic.....it was JD McDuffie....

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Years ago I mocked up an AMT Torino Cobra with a Johan Superbird wing. I had seen a black and white photo of a factory mock up of a '69 Torino with a wing and also what looked like the nose of an early Datsun 240 with chrome bumper and similar headlights and under cut grill. Thats when I went actively looking for what we now know as the AeroCobras and Spoiler III. I abandoned the earlier Torino once I started on these. I may have to come back to that idea someday.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 04:51 AM

Here's a few more pics of cars that were tried but didn't go over so well....

The early 90's Mercury Cougar
1996 Lincoln MKVIII
1973 Grand Am
1972 GTO
1971 Thunderbird
Early 80's Dodge LeBaron
67-68 Ford Galaxie
the Mirada and Imperial we've referenced
1969 Grand Prix
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Posted 17 June 2012 - 06:52 AM

This Beretta was disallowed from Cup competition after being cleared for ARCA.

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 05:44 PM

Wasnt there a 66/67 chevelle that was built and nascar found out it was xhopped and told them they couldnt race it.

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 07:14 PM

Here is a post from The H.AM.B. about the Chevelle.

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Over the years the legend of this car has grown, some stories are true and some have just gotten better with the retelling. In the day it was believed that this car and the ’67 car were 15/16 scale versions of the production Chevelle. This is not true, they both used factory sheet metal, the length and wheel-base are correct but the proportions have been “improved”. Smokey even created the first template to show NASCAR that his car matched a street Chevelle in the parking lot. It did, but then again the street car in the parking lot also belonged to Smokey. The front bumper was sliced and extended 2 inches to create a front air dam. The roof was modified with a subtle “vortex” generating lip. All the rough edges were smoothed, the glass was fit flush to the body, and the rear bumper feathered into the rear fender, all to improve the aerodynamics of the car.


It was common practice in NASCAR at that time to use the much stiffer Ford frame in a Chevy, Pontiac, or Dodge. Smokey believed that to mean that you could use “any manufacturers” frame in any car. So he “manufactured” his own frame. Since you had to keep the engine centered between the frame rails, he moved the entire frame to the left, as well as the fuel cell, driver and many other components to improve the balance of the car on Daytona’s banking. The engine was also used as a stressed member in the frame. The underside was an engineering marvel. The floor boards were lowered to create a belly pan, custom-made adjustable front control arms replaced stock units, and a revised front steer system was used to optimize the Ackerman angle and make room for the engines belly pan style oil pan.

The car weighed 3,900 lbs. and was powered by a de-stroked version of the Chevrolet Rat motor that displaced 416cid. Smokey’s theory was that less reciprocating mass meant higher backstretch RPM and decreased fatigue. The engine made 450HP at 7600RPM.

After nearing killing himself building the car Smokey showed up at Tech for the ’68 Daytona 500 on the last day. It was required that the car be inspected without any fuel in the tank. After six hours in the tech shed the car passed. The team pushed it over to the gas pumps to fill up and get ready for practice. They were refused fuel and told that they would not get any until the head of tech Joe Gazaway signed off on the car. Joe looked the car over and found ten items that had to be changed. First on the list was Smokey’s custom frame. It had to be a stock “Ford” frame. According to legend, with no fuel in the car and Joe telling a steaming mad Smokey he needed to change ten things on the car to race. Smokey jumped in, fired up the engine and said “make that eleven things” drove the car out of the racetrack onto the street and back to his shop. Smokey says that really isn’t true, he had put some fuel in the tank... but where did he get the fuel?

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 12:07 PM

Here is a post from The H.AM.B. about the Chevelle.

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That is one SWEET looking race car, IMHO... :wub:

Thanks for the pic and the very cool story, Brian!

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 01:01 PM

That #93 LeBaron is sweet! Would have been competitive for sure. I have to draw the line at a Lincoln though :lol: . I know I know, I've heard the song "Hot rod Lincoln".

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 11:21 AM

Another Smoky story is that when NASCAR mandated running a certain size of fuel cell they also mandated it have a 2" filler neck. In a stroke of genius of playing in the gray areas of the rule book Smoky ran the 2" filler neck up into the passenger floor board before returning it to the tank. The total length of the hose was ten or fifteen feet and it held about another five gallons of gas. The rule book now states that the filler neck must go directly to the fuel cell.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 02:02 PM

According to Smoky he never violated the rule book, he found omissions in the book and exploited them.

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 07:26 AM

Smokey was a legend.the rules only say what you cant do.Now adays Chad Kanus is called a cheater for reading between the lines.Nascar is a spec series any more,too bad it came to that,It should be run what you brung

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 08:12 AM

An early Olds Toronado might be a cool candidate.

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 10:27 PM

I built this "phantom" Adam Petty 1999 Chrysler Concord a while back while the Petty Teams were still running Pontiacs. I thought it would be neat to see the Petty name on a Mopar again.

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