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#1 gtx6970

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 04:59 AM

I am having an interest in some of the early 30s kits to build somewhere down the road if for nothing but a change of pace. Such as Cadillacs, Packards, Duesenbergs etc.

Is there any particular version to avoid or that would be the 1st choice to build. ?

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 07:39 AM

All of the Monogram/Revell classics build really easily and look good. The Jo-han kits are trickier but look great when done. The Italeri kits are very nicely done but not for beginners. They have multi-piece bodies. The MPC Imperials and Lincolns are fairly good but need some tweaking and lots of dechroming! The Hellers are a quirky bunch. They range from pretty buildable (Bugatti, Hispano) to utterly unbuildable (540K). Start with the Monograms and work your way up the food chain!

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 07:44 AM

The MPC Imperials and Lincolns are fairly good but need some tweaking and lots of dechroming!

And, at this stage in the game- LOTS of mold seam cleanup. And be ever mindful of warped parts.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 04:42 PM

Thanks for the notes. I've always been facinated by and have always enjoyed seeing the Big touring cars of the late 20's to early 30's . And I bought a sealed MPC 1932 Chrysler a few years ago. But I would like to get several more while the mood strikes me for future builds someday. The 1/24th - 1/25th scales are a must.

Something like these have caught my attention, especially the Imperial. being a Mopar fan might have something to do with that

To be honest, I don't need high end detailed kits, but I want something that if it's supposed to be a 1933 Imperial kit, it darn well better look like that once assembled and on the shelf. So I'm not after the 'having wire your own wheels' kits, just something nice without taking out a second mortage

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 04:50 PM

Or these

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 04:34 AM

All four of those are excellent kits. The Imperial and Bugatti are both Italeri kits marketed by Testors and have very good detail. The only downsides to the Italeri kits are plastic tires and, at least in the case of the Bugatti, multi-piece bodies. The Monogram Packards and Deusies are absolutely outstanding kits, with beautiful chrome parts and vinyl tires with snap-in whitewalls. You really can't go wrong with any of the Monogram Museum Pieces- the Cadillac V-16 kits are breathtaking as well, and the Mercedes 540s. They also did a couple of Springfield-built Rolls-Royce Phantom II models with working steering. The Jo-Han Gold Cup Cadillac kits are pretty good, too.Just stay clear of the Lindberg/Pyro kits (Auburn Speedster, '48 Continental, Cord 812), which are primitive at best, and you'll be fine!

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 06:31 AM

There's also an excellent Monogram kit of the Bugatti T35 racer.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 06:36 AM

I have had the opportunity to buld every model of a CCCA (Classic Car Club of America) Classic in existance. If you want an extensive article I wrote about the topic for the CCCA Bulletin I would be glad to get it to you. As to my opinion, I agree with the posters above with the exception of the Chrysler Imperial by Testors. I have found that one looks a little "off" somehow and has never really captured the essence of the real car. That being said it is not a bad model, it just is not as good as the Monogram kits. The Duesenberg Town Car is a very good choice as is the Packard Phaeton. if you Google images of Packard 734 Phaeton you will find some good photos of several of the remaining 734 Phaetons, though you will find almost all of the correct 734's have rear mounted spares. The exception is the Jepson/Kerr car that is painted in a very nice color scheme; Blue fenders, red undercarriage/ silver body with blue reveals, blue interior, chrome wheels...though as you can see that one has already been done!
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Good luch with these and if I can be of help let me know.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 06:39 AM

One other comment. The Mercedes 540 K by Heller is one I fought with many years ago. Here is is.

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As you can see, this is a long way from the truly beautiful car that Mercedes built.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 06:43 AM

Last thing, and this is probably more than you ever wanted to know, here is the complete list (to the best of my knowledge) of all of the CCCA models ever made in 1/24 scale.

The 1/24 Scale CCCA Classic Models

Pyro/Lindberg (5)
1935 Auburn 851Speedster
1937 Cord 812 Phaeton
1948 Lincoln Continental Cabriolet
1929 Mercedes Benz SSK
1931 Bugatti Royale Victoria

Monogram (15)
1934 Duesenberg SJ Weyman Torpedo Pheaton
1934 Duesenberg SJ Murphy Town Car
1935 Duesenberg SJ Rollston Roadster
1931 Duesenberg SJ Murphy Speedster
1931 Rolls Royce Phantom II Roadster
1931 Rolls Royce Phantom II Phaeton
1937 Cord 812 Phaeton
1927 Bugatti Type 35B
1938 Mercedes 540K Cabriolet B
1938 Mercedes 540K Coupe
1930 Packard 734 Speedster Runabout
1930 Packard 734 Speedster Phaeton
1931 Packard 840 Custom 8 Phaeton
1932 Cadillac 452B V-16 Phaeton
1941 Lincoln Continental Cabriolet

Johan (5)
1931 Cadillac 452A V-16 Cabriolet
1931 Cadillac 452A V-16 Phaeton
1931 Cadillac 452A V-16 Town Car
1934 Mercedes Benz 500K Speziel Roadster
1934 Mercedes Benz 500K Coupe Limousine

MPC (4)
1928 Lincoln L 7-passenger Phaeton Locke
1928 Lincoln L Roadster
1932 Chrysler Imperial Convertible Sedan
1932 Chrysler Imperial Convertible Coupe

Heller (7)
1930 Alfa Romeo 8C Roadster
1929 Bentley 4 ½ Litre LeMans Racer
1935 Delage D8S Cabriolet by Chapron
1934 Hispano Suiza 6K Town Car Kellner
1932 Bugatti 57C Coupe
1938 Delahaye 135
1939 Mercedes Benz 540K Speziel Sports Roadster

Testors-Itelleri (8)
1933 Cadillac 452-C V-16-Joan Crawford Fleetwood Town Car
1933 Cadillac 452-C V-16-Al Jolsen Fleetwood Convertible Sedan
1929 Bugatti Royale Berline de Voyage
1929 Bugatti Royale de Villers Town Car
1929 Bugatti Royale Coupe Napoleon Town Cabriolet
1933 Rolls-Royce Phantom-II Maharaja Convertible Sedan
1934 Mercedes-Benz 500K Cabriolet C
1933 Chrysler Imperial Phaeton by LeBaron

Bandai (1)
1935 Duesenberg SJ Sedan

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 08:35 AM

Heller also made a Bugatti T50 coupe. There are also several more options when you get into larger scales like 1/16 and 1/12, issued by Revell, Minicraft / Academy, Anmark, Gunze Sangyo, Entex, etc. (Many of them boxed under multiple labels.) Here are just a few builds by the late, great Martin Swire. Most of these are substantially more complex than 1/24-25 kits.

http://www.freewebs.com/martsmodels/

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 09:01 AM

Most comprehensive list of Classics I've seen Eric!
One minor gripe- not all of those kits are 1:24 scale- all of the MPC and JoHan kits are/were 1:25. B)

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 09:36 AM

Many Many thanks for the list. I never realized how many kits were avail for these cars over the years.

My interest 'for now' are the big road cars, something with the long roof lines , long flowing fenders and such. The ones that when seen would have instantly told the world the owners had money.
The odd part is I mainly do race car builds for the 1962-1973 time frames,with hardly any interest in building replica stocks. Yet, on these older cars all I have an interest in are the stock replica builds with zero interest to do race cars of that period
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I already have an MPC 1932 Chrysler (shown) but it's a 2 seater / rumble seat roadster. although I will probably build it at some point It just doesn't really have that 'POP' that the big long roof road cars have that I really enjoy looking at do.

This all started when I attended a local concourse show here in Cincinnatti 2 weeks ago. Even though I had been to this show multiple times in years past , this year the big cars just screamed at me to do a few for my model room shelf.

This is the show I was at that really peaked my interest this year. CCCA cars were well represented this year for some reason.

http://www.ohioconcours.com/

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 09:39 AM

This is the kit I already own. I may build it, I may not as I think I like the long low rooflines of the touring cars better

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 12:27 PM

What I like about these vintage classics is the fun of doing the research.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 12:45 PM

And what I like about them is that they're some of the best looking cars ever made! ;)

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 01:05 PM

And don't forget- the MPC Lincoln and Chrysler Imperial were also sold as Airfix kits.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 04:22 PM

Don't forget about the sweet gangbusters kits from MPC,the 32 Chrysler even comes with a vintage Harley!

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 11:46 PM

I've bought and/or built many of the above-mentioned kits over the years, at least one from each manufacturer and I also think a Monogram kit would "suit you sir".
The 32 Cadillac might most closely fit the bill and it's one of the most satisfying kits I've ever built. Relatively high parts count, plenty of detail, but it all goes together without drama and looks the bee's knees when finished. The Packards and Duesenbergs are of the same high standard.

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 04:42 AM

Monogram 1934 Duesenberg built mostly box stock. The only additions are spark plug wires, exhaust tips, interior door handles and license plates plus some BMF. Duplicolor paint. These kits turn out good especially for 1960's tooling.

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