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#41 Greg Wann

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 04:01 PM

http://enterprisemission.com/

Here is some cool stuff about mars from a guy that worked for NASA,. His name is Richard Hoagland. He talks about the face on Mars and something way over my head called HYPER DIMENSIONAL PHYSICS. He is a guest on COAST TO COAST AM with George Noory. It used to be the Art Bell show or something like that. He says the face on Mars is the same face that is on the Sphinx in Egypt.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 01:47 PM

Don't be so close-minded. The space program is responsible for all sorts of scientific and medical advances that filter their way into everyday life. The Mars probe will probably result in more scientific advances that wind up helping society in many ways. Yeah, they're not going to find little green men, but there are definite benefits to space exploration besides finding aliens!

For example... I found this online:


Under the Space Act of 1958, NASA has had a mandate to share all the information it has gained with the public. Here are a few of the practical applications that have resulted from technologies and information learned by space scientists:

  • CAT scans
  • MRIs
  • Kidney dialysis machines
  • Heart defibrillator technology
  • Remote robotic surgery
  • Artificial heart pump technology
  • Physical therapy machines
  • Positron emission tomography
  • Microwave receivers used in scans for breast cancer
  • Cardiac angiography
  • Monitoring neutron activity in the brain
  • Cleaning techniques for hospital operating rooms
  • Portable x-ray technology for neonatal offices and 3rd world countries
  • Freeze-dried food
  • Water purification filters
  • ATM technology
  • Pay at the Pump satellite technology
  • Athletic shoe manufacturing technique
  • Insulation barriers for autos
  • Image-processing software for crash-testing automobiles
  • Holographic testing of communications antennas
  • Low-noise receivers
  • Cordless tools
  • A computer language used by businesses such as car repair shops, Kodak, hand-held computers, express mail
  • Aerial reconnaissance and Earth resources mapping
  • Airport baggage scanners
  • Distinction between natural space objects and satellites/warheads/rockets for defense
  • Satellite monitors for nuclear detonations
  • Hazardous gas sensors
  • Precision navigation
  • Clock synchronization
  • Ballistic missile guidance
  • Secure communications
  • Study of ozone depletion
  • Climate change studies
  • Monitoring of Earth-based storms such as hurricanes
  • Solar collectors
  • Fusion reactors
  • Space-age fabrics for divers, swimmers, hazardous material workers, and others
  • Teflon-coated fiberglass for roofing material
  • Lightweight breathing system used by firefighters
  • Atomic oxygen facility for removing unwanted material from 19th century paintings
  • FDA-adopted food safety program that has reduced salmonella cases by a factor of 2
  • Multispectral imaging methods used to read ancient Roman manuscripts buried by Mt. Vesuvius
Most people do not give NASA or space research high priority when they consider what the government needs to fund. However, as seen here, NASA has provided much more than just information about the universe at large, but practical applications that have saved lives, improved the quality of life, and provided high-paying jobs in the private sector. The spinoffs listed here are just a part of what NASA and others have accomplished by sharing information and technology.


Yeah these things have improved standard of living . No argument there. But these things were not conceived, engineered, built and tested in space. They were built here on earth no?
Many great things are have resulted from american army research, but the motivating factor is finding a easier way to kill people. The usefull things are merely a bonus. Can it even be calculated how much has been spent on sending rockets and telescopes into space and beyond? Tens of trillions perhaps. I read somewhere that the states of arizona, california and new mexico alone have the solor energy potential to fuel the entire united states of america. So close minded-ness in my opinion is take the easy way out and simply rape the earth and oceans for oil rather than spend the money to take advantage of the sun. Colonizing another planet would be cool, but not at the expense of not having a healthy planet to return to.

Edited by sak, 13 August 2012 - 01:48 PM.


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Posted 13 August 2012 - 02:55 PM

how can you marginalize ANY of those developments as simply "improving the quality of life"? by the way, we ARE in "Space"; right along with every OTHER bit of stardust and molecule of gas in the Universe. we just HAPPEN to be on the Earth at the same time.
and "the american army research" you refer to is by no means the ONLY source of constant technical advancements; throughout our history, Technology has been driven by Military need, not by social need. that's just the way it is, not a statement of criticism of ANY political nature. Solar power HAS been CONSTANTLY improved upon since it's inception, better methods of transforming Solar rays into usable energy with smaller cells that cost less to produce are the goal of many researchers.

and , btw; who's to say when MAN first gazed into the night sky and wondered HOW to get THERE from HERE? it wasn't simply in the last century. it's been a mainstay of nearly all civilizations with a recorded history.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 03:28 PM

Did anyone mention velcro (sp?) A lot of kids can't tie shoes because of this technological advancement. But l still love the stuff!

#45 milkman

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 03:49 PM

Not only not tie their shoes, but cannot tell time on a clock. The last ten years or so that I have taught 7th and 8th graders, about 90% could not look at the clock in the classroom and tell you the time. They are the digital generation and are used to the time on a cell phone, computer, etc. They also run you absolutely crazy trying to teach grammar and correct usage of punctuation, capitalization,etc. They have texted so much they no longer can write a complete answer in sentence form, much less a page or paper.

#46 Bill Eh?

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 04:00 PM

Howard, I am still an elementary school teacher. I have been for over 18 years now. Your reference to the challenge of teaching 'grammar and correct usage of punctuation, capitalization, etc.' pertains to a much broader group than just the one you eluded to. LOL :lol:

#47 Harry P.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 04:18 PM

Your reference to the challenge of teaching 'grammar and correct usage of punctuation, capitalization, etc.' pertains to a much broader group than just the one you eluded to. LOL :lol:


You mean "alluded" to.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 04:34 PM

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(Thanks and a tip of the hat to Joe!)

#49 Jamez

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 04:34 PM

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 05:05 PM

You're right Harry, me included on this one. LOL That one got away from me!

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 08:06 PM

You're right Harry, me included on this one. LOL That one got away from me!

......That eluded me as well 1st time l read it!

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 09:04 PM

I think this whole Mars landing thing as an allusion, uh, ellusion, um, ILLUSION! It's just a hoax perpetrated by NASA, who got Harry to Photoshop it for them!

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 11:54 PM

so as a population, "we" take credit for the accomplishments of a couple of dozen people?

that sounds about right.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 12:51 AM

so as a population, "we" take credit for the accomplishments of a couple of dozen people?


That's pretty funny, and sadly so very very accurate. Maybe more than "a couple of dozen", but it's an excellent point.

I also tend to think the lack of engaged parents teaching children to tie shoes, communicate in basic English, and to tell time has little to do with the space program, but a lot to do with laziness and ignorance, which is still voluntary on the part of the lazy and ignorant.

Edited by Ace-Garageguy, 14 August 2012 - 12:56 AM.


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Posted 14 August 2012 - 01:59 AM

We have to find the Martian Indians first.


Wouldnt that be Native Martians? :D

#56 Harry P.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 02:04 AM

so as a population, "we" take credit for the accomplishments of a couple of dozen people?

that sounds about right.


No, we don't all take credit. But we all benefit.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 02:54 AM

No, we don't all take credit. But we all benefit.



And we all paid for it ~ taxes provided the funding. I'd say "we" all had a role to play. That "couple of dozen people" didn't cover the costs from their own pockets.


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Posted 14 August 2012 - 03:33 AM

So... to get back to the beginning of this thread, we did win the Olympics (if "winning the Olympics" means winning the most medals. And I think it does. :D )

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 06:56 AM

You mean "alluded" to.


Good catch Harry!!!!!!!!!!!
And also here where the guy used "are" instead of "our"---------We may be fat, but are teeth are better :lol:

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 07:01 AM

I got a good laugh out of that poster and even shared it with a few friends. Unfortunately, there is an element of truth to the fat and stupid (read: poorly schooled) claim.