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#1 Fat Brian

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 10:13 AM

Some kits have aftermarket sleeper and other have sleepers made by the truck manufacturer, how can you tell the difference? I know the Mercury sleepers in the Diamond Reo, White Western Star, and Road Boss are aftermarket But what about the sleeprs in the IH 4300 and GMC General and the Italeri Superliner?

Also, how sacreligious is it to mix brands of cabs and sleepers? I want to build a modernized 4300 with a larger sleeper and I bought the frame, engine, and sleeper from the Revell 353/359 kit to use but it appears to have Pete brand sleeper and I didn't want to do anything that is frowned upon.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 10:32 AM

Brian its not uncommon to have seen different brand sleepers on trucks back in the day when a cab was a cab and the sleeper was the sleeper box. Most common I seen used was the 63" pete walk in and the 60" kw walk in on other trucks. Even pete and kw tanks was put on other brand trucks by the owners. So mix it up my man , no "sacreligion" there ;-)

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 10:34 AM

As someone who worked for 15 years at an International truck dealership,I can say the the 4300 kit has a correct looking sleeper for what the factory installed,(and covered by factory warranty)I cannot say if they were made "by" international,because I always thought the factory sleeper installed on the Chevy Bison/CMC General looked very similar.The Road Boss,Diamond Reo and Western Star kits come with a sleeper know as a Mercury sleeper and was one of the very first custom sleeper builders,most Mercurys were added to day cabs in the early days,before the factory offered them as an option.Since about the early 70's almost all truck makers built and installed there own inhouse sleepers.You still have a coule of aftermarket custom sleeper companys out there.Bentz,Double Eagle,and ARI are some of the first that come to mind.

And I will say being in heavy truck repair for 30 years I have seen more than my share of KW sleepers on a WesternStar,Pete sleepers on Internationals and all sorts of mismatched sleepers,and may funky ways to make them fit.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 10:53 AM

Unless you are building a fresh from the factory model.. once a truck gets into the hands of its owner, anything goes !

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 10:53 AM

Yep anything goes. Alot of truck manufacturers had outside companies build their bunks.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 10:54 AM

On the Mercury sleepers, they were factory options for Peterbilt back in the day. The factory would make the truck ready for the sleeper, the sleeper would be built at Mercury, the truck sent over there, then the sleeper installed and painted (or vice-versa) to match the truck, then sent back to Peterbilt for finishing and on to the dealer.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 11:12 AM

On the older Internationals, all the sleepers were aftermarket. The sleeper in the ERTL IH 4300 kit is a McLaughlin Li'l Honey. I'd have to look at the GMC General/ Chevy Bison sleeper but it may be made by McLaughlin as well.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 11:25 AM

On the older Internationals, all the sleepers were aftermarket. The sleeper in the ERTL IH 4300 kit is a McLaughlin Li'l Honey. I'd have to look at the GMC General/ Chevy Bison sleeper but it may be made by McLaughlin as well.


I wasn't sure if they were made by the factory or not,I just know we covered any problems under warranty only if they were factory installed.They offered a 36",42" and a 60".Did the same company make all three? They all looked like the same framework.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 11:44 AM

I'm sure IH used other sleeper manufacturers as well but I think McLaughlin was the main company. They did make all the sizes you listed as well as a stand up 60" called the "McLaughlin Super Suite" I have a resin one listed right now that I mastered a couple years ago. It's designed to be used with the ERTL 4300 kit to make an Eagle Brougham.
http://www.ebay.com/...=item2ec16422ce

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 11:49 AM

Great, I just like to check these things out first.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 05:03 PM

the mercury sleepers were a factory option on transtars before they had their own

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 04:23 PM

It's your model and I'm gathering it's a fictious build in that it's not an exact replica of a 1:1 truck, so you build it the way you want and if the rivet counters don't like it, then they don't have to look at it or comment on it.

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 04:38 PM

In the mid 90's IH switched to Bentz sleepers as thier supplier.

Edited by cargostar, 02 September 2012 - 04:39 PM.


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Posted 03 September 2012 - 10:30 AM

In the mid 90's IH switched to Bentz sleepers as thier supplier.


In 1995 International introduced the Prosleeper an intergrated cab and sleeper that I know was built in house at the factory.It was 1995 that I went to a school and was able to tour the plant and saw them being built

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 11:30 AM

Yes, all Prosleepers will built in house at either the Springfield OH, or Chatham ON plant. Prior to the Porsleeper the ran Bentz's for a few years.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 10:14 PM

Never knew IH sleeper boxes of the period were done by an outside company- I'd always assumed (I know, I know...) they were designed and built in-house.
Learn something new every day. :rolleyes:
Interestingly I am thinking of trying out a Mercury sleeper on a Transtar, glad to know it would be correct for an earlier version of the rig if nothing else.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:49 AM

I think I've seen Mercury sleepers on every brand of truck at some time or another.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:03 AM

Double Eagle sleeper (CLOSED UP) up this Summer.