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[GirchyGirchy]

thats what im going for dont have the halibrands tho

I wish they were easily available. One notoriously bad resin caster "sells" them and I tried buying a couple of sets to no avail.

[Casey]

I wish they were easily available.

Were the K-H Sunburst wheels included in a 1/24 or 1/25 scale kit?

[Lownslow]

I wish they were easily available. One notoriously bad resin caster "sells" them and I tried buying a couple of sets to no avail.

bummer

[GirchyGirchy]

Were the K-H Sunburst wheels included in a 1/24 or 1/25 scale kit?

Not that I know of. Anyone else?

[Greg Myers]

• http://www.reliabler...products_id=113

[GirchyGirchy]

• http://www.reliabler...products_id=113

Ha....see my earlier comment.

[Lownslow]

im just gonna run vector wheels on mine rather not deal with that guy

[Cato]

It's a shame when you make an aftermarket part that you don't know the correct name of the 1:1 part manufacturer. Thereby spreading the incorrect info to the general end users. Who usually know little about the 1:1 subject they're modeling.

[Greg Myers]

Toys,Muscle Machines, die cast, some body must have something.

[Lownslow]

decided to replicate sunbursts but im going for 17/18s

[Lownslow]

i passed on making the sunbursts i found some wheels that will go with the color i picked out, im going to strip the chrome and hit them with model masters magnesium and on the inners gunmetal, they came off the Arii Toyota 2000gt

[Art Anderson]

Ray pointed out the top, so...

Not sure what the good points would be compared to the most recent reissue, which seemed to have most of the optional custom parts. The kit does have an opening hood and trunk. Hopefully they cleaned up the tooling a little bit for this one, it was just starting to look a little bit haggard on the last reissue in spots.

It does have full engine detail. Just one engine- the 289, but if I recall it can be built with Weber carbs or a single carb. The kit also has a separate chassis with decent front and rear suspension detail- there's a metal axle at both ends, but each end has its own transverse leaf spring. Compared to the 1:24 Monogram Cobra, I think this one has better interior detail. It also lacks the wide fender flares Monogram's 427 has, so you could even convert it back to an AC Ace if you wanted.

My only serious gripe with any of these I've built is the windshield frame- sometimes it fits the cowl pretty well, other times it doesn't. The hinged hood and trunk have always worked well for me.

It is my understanding from John Mueller (long time AMT, Lesney/AMT and AMT/Ertl kit designer) that the AMT Cobra was actually modeled off the ORIGINAL Shelby AC Cobra, s/n CX0001. If so, that is an AC Ace chassis, AC Ace bodywork, and a 260cid Ford small block. As such, it is a completely different Cobra than the 427 as kitted by Revell. AC Ace and the 260/289 AC Cobra's used the Tojiero transverse leaf spring suspension as produced by FIAT from the early 1950's onward for several years, while the 427 used a completely new coil-over suspension system.

Round2's box art isn't the same as the original issue kit though, the artwork on that kit box was much more artistic, certainly not the cartoon-like image shown above.

Art

[Phildaupho]

The AMT kit was most certainly based on the first run of Cobras but not CSX2000 which was distinctive in a number of ways from subsequent Cobras as I described in the posting of my CSX2000 build
http://www.modelcars...topic=65165&hl=

[Greg Myers]

It amazes me reading the post on this thread, and especially with the passing of the man himself (Carrol Shelby) that there are so many here that seem to have little or no knowledge of the ancestry of the Cobra roadster ( or coupe, for that matter).
For starters the first car, often referred to as the "289 Cobra" started life with the first thin wall cast small block engine. First a 221 cid, then the 260 and finally the 289, all of which would be represented in the kit with varying accessories, as all of these engines shared the same outward dimensions and appearance
The Revell / Monogram ,on the other hand, are of a totally different car, the oft referred to "427" Cobra (this car came with a 428 cid engine at the end of its run).
, sometimes referred to as the "coil sprung" car because of the coil spring suspension used. As to the "Wide fender version" talked about in post above, this was the only car from the Shelby factory (?) that had these mainly to accommodate wider tyers.
So come on guys, do your home work. Ol' Shel must be spinnin' in his grave.

289

427

Edited by Greg Myers, 01 November 2012 - 05:49 AM.

[Cato]

The Revell / Monogram ,on the other hand, are of a totally different car, the oft referred to "427" Cobra (this car came with a 428 cid engine at the end of its run).

Not quite right-although your point is well taken. Many who build these models know nothing of the 1:1. In fact, both your illustrations are probably replicas (although good ones), most likely ERAs, or have replica part additions.
427 engines (both Sideoiler and Centeroiler) were used from CSX 3002 to ~3200.
428's ran from 3201 to 3305+/-. CSX 3306 to 3360 were 427 Sideoilers, mostly hydraulic lifter.
Ref; Colin Comer's book 'Shelby', p.86.
And yes in model form, you can hardly tell the difference. Except for valve covers and air pans. Which owners of originals and replicas swap around anyway.
All very confusing. Almost anything you do in a model has been done in a 1:1.

[Greg Myers]

The study of any car can can turn up many sources with an unbelievable amount of information. My point was not to nit pick each kit but to point out the obvious differences between two different cars You must be a Cobra expert to be able to tell the difference between a real Cobra and a clone,replica, kit, tribute or continuation from just a photo. Here's a list of some of my better reference sources: http://www.amazon.co..._res_rpli_alt_1

Edited by Greg Myers, 01 November 2012 - 01:53 PM.

[Cato]

You must be a Cobra expert to be able to tell the difference between a real Cobra and a clone,replica, kit, tribute or continuation from just a photo. 1

You could say that. Built, raced and drove this one the last 27 years:

Is it an original or replica ?
Was not picking a nit-in fact I lauded your point. Simply corrected a generalized statement you made.
After all, your point was about those who "...have little or no knowledge of the ancestry of the Cobra roadster ( or coupe, for that matter)."
We're both increasing their knowledge factor.

[Casey]

This might be a good opportunity for someone to start a reference topic with pics in the 1:1 Car Reference Pictures section, so the info doesn't get lost, can be easily found, and because there seem to be quite a few Cobra varieties, with changes and specs specific to each particular sub-model. Plus, I think Revell is about to re-issue the 427SC Cobra, too, so this info would probably be helpful for those building that kit, too.

[Cato]

A noble idea but the sad fact is that in this day and age, even originals are altered to the owners taste.
A very small number of cars are exactly as they left Shelby American or AC.
Many cars that were born 'street cars' now sport competition equipment. Some dedicated 1:1 replica builders, such as myself, research long and hard for originality yet must accept the compromises inherent in the replica manufacturer's design.
So a 1:1 reference 'library' would take an expert to sort originals from replicas. Unless all the photos came from the '60's.
Again, I think 98% of Cobra modelers accept 'stand-off scale' models and be done with it. Close enough...

[Greg Myers]

"Stand-off scale" a term closer to accuracy than most of us would like to agree on. I don't remember the thread, but it was up a few months ago arguing the merits of the scale accuracy of model kits. "Stand-off scale' is the answer, along with what the builder is trying to portray. Cato is 100% correct, the Cobra not unlike many racing cars are only "correct" to the day they are represented in the built kit the modeler presents.
The basics still must be researched and many here and among the automotive enthusiast world could learn much in research.
With so many books available on the subject, some good many bad, the basic information is there. With the passing of Carrol Shelby the current crop of magazines will certainly cove many areas of the man and his cars.