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[CadillacPat]

13 years ago I went straight from removing paint from Aerosol cans for my AirBrush, to using nothing but House Of Kolor.
I've never liked using any kind of Acrylics or waterbased paint.

CadillacPat

James, that is good clear information. Who is the author of this copy and paste????????????????

CadillacPat

[Harry P.]

I use the "cheap craft paints" all the time. Mainly for interiors and detail painting, but I have also painted bodies with them. Once they dry, they are not water soluble anymore, they won't "melt" if they get wet.

[CadillacPat]

Check around on google guys. Nearly every site i've looked at says acrylic paints only need to be "heat set" when used on fabrics. On a solid non-porous surface they do not.

You'll also find on those same sites that no one recommends AirBrushing a Model with CHEAP CRAFT PAINT.
Try to stay on topic. You keep switching between Acrylic and CHEAP CRAFT PAINT

CadillacPat

[CadillacPat]

I use the "cheap craft paints" all the time. Mainly for interiors and detail painting, but I have also painted bodies with them. Once they dry, they are not water soluble anymore, they won't "melt" if they get wet.

Yeah Harry I've used them for interiors also, and I have painted bodies with them also, that's the reason I upgraded, but, there is no reason anyone has to use them for a body.
Too many cheaper and more efficient alternatives, as I've already said, are available.
It doesn't take a lot to paint a Model.

CadillacPat

[MAGNUM4342]

keven, a few sites also state the heat setting is needed if the object is to be washed repeatedly such as a drinking glass. it can also be air set for 21 days before use.

I didn't think that was pertinent since noone will be drinking from a model or repeatedly washing them.

[MAGNUM4342]

You'll also find on those same sites that no one recommends AirBrushing a Model with CHEAP CRAFT PAINT.
Try to stay on topic. You keep switching between Acrylic and CHEAP CRAFT PAINT

CadillacPat

Doesn't matter. Niether needs to be heat set on a model. You are so determined to be right that you just have to nitpick every little misspeak. Get over yourself!

I use the "cheap craft paints" all the time. Mainly for interiors and detail painting, but I have also painted bodies with them. Once they dry, they are not water soluble anymore, they won't "melt" if they get wet.

THANK YOU!

[Futurabat]

[CadillacPat]

Doesn't matter. Niether needs to be heat set on a model. You are so determined to be right that you just have to nitpick every little misspeak. Get over yourself!

THANK YOU!

Mangum, please don't try to explain your being incorrect as a "misspeak".
That term is being way overused these days,

CadillacPat

[MAGNUM4342]

Wow! You really just can't help yourself can you Pat? Know what buddy? You just go right on with your bad self. I've wasted enough build time on you. Congratulations on making my ignore list. You are the weakest link...goodbye!

Edited by MAGNUM4342, 30 September 2012 - 11:23 AM.

[CadillacPat]

So you are calling me the Master of House of Kolor------------Okay!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Too freakin funny! Pat you started your last post with "Jesus, another ambush reply!". "ANOTHER...ambush reply". Why do you think that is Pat? Do you suppose it could be the arrogant, condescending way you talk to people? Your use of bold red I'M MAKING MY POINT AND YOU HAD BETTER LISTEN typeface? Or maybe it's the way you talk down to people? I'm not really sure. What I am sure of is that yes, there are acrylic paints out there that need heat set, but apple barrel and ceramcoat do not need to be heat set when used on a model kit. I should do my research? Trust me sweets, I have! For many many years now. If you want to be part of a discussion, ANY discussion you should stow the attitude and speak to people in a general, even and friendly way, and you won't have to make statements anymore like the one I quoted at the beginning of this post. Have a nice day.

I've been posting here for quite some time, participating with many here, and I can't remember ever seeing you around.
Arrogant and condescending??????. Well it's good to know we can call people that here.
Okay, let's all walk on eggshells so as not to offend anyone with honest, useful info gained from years of experience. Heck, who wants that?????



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On the note of "What business is it of yours if someone wants to use cheap paints?" You are correct Pat. Once someone posts a question online like this it becomes anyone's business who wants to reply. That much is true. It IS NOT your business to tell anyone they should not use a paint because it's cheap!
I have to corect you here, that's the whole point of providing information.
That is exactly how your posts read. Are you a good builder and painter? Yes, alot of your work is outstanding. Does that give you the right to talk down to people because they can't afford HOK or want to expand thier knowledge base of other paints? NO!

If someone trying to honestly help you makes you feel insecure and inferior then I can't help you.

I personally have used all kinds of paints over the years in concert with each other. MAGNUM has said nothing wrong. All he did was point out some of the problems that can be run into using these paints as well as how one can overcome them. In other words, he was being helpfull. All your posts read as are i'm smart you're dumb and everyone should listen to me. Did you ever say you were the HOK master? Not that I know of but that's most certainly the way you come off!

If you don't like someone's posts then don't read them

Good job pat....I think your EGO is much too large....and I am not hooter.

Your Smart attitude fits in perfect here....I think Kevin has it down...I have shot more HOK than anything else....So stuff your know it all attitude and if you want to teach...LEARN it all!

Holding, I suggest you refrain from thinking about me.

CadillacPat

[CadillacPat]

Let's put this to pictures, that's what I like to show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've got a lot of my paintjobs posted here so,
Mangum
Holding,
Futurebat,
James,
Hooter,
Let's see some pictures of your models painted with these CHEAP CRAFT PAINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As adamant as you guys are I'm sure you have lots of your own paintjobs to show using these CHEAP CRAFT PAINTS

CadillacPat

[Futurabat]

Let's put this to pictures, that's what I like to show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've got a lot of my paintjobs posted here so,
Mangum
Holding,
Futurebat,
James,
Hooter,
Let's see some pictures of your models painted with these CHEAP CRAFT PAINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As adamant as you guys are I'm sure you have lots of your own paintjobs to show using these CHEAP CRAFT PAINTS

CadillacPat

And what would that prove Pat? The way this is going, I can tell you've already prepared the argument that a picture is no proof at all. Just because we say it's painted with brand X is no proof it is.

[G Holding]

Enough of your DO - DO pat.

Scale Auto Magazine, Volume 29 Number April 2008.
Page 23 Author Marc Havican

Titled "Awesome Acrylics !" Marc uses the 99cent paints, tube acrylics, createx, Delta Ceramics.

His explanation might educate you...even though this is what YOU posted

"I've never liked using any kind of Acrylics or waterbased paint."

Now its time to shut up, read and learn. I have been quite civil here, but you

NEED TO LEARN THE ACRYLIC FACTS

Edited by G Holding, 30 September 2012 - 01:03 PM.

[CadillacPat]

And what would that prove Pat? The way this is going, I can tell you've already prepared the argument that a picture is no proof at all. Just because we say it's painted with brand X is no proof it is.

So-o-o-o-o-o-, you're not going to post any pics of the cars you've painted with cheap craft paints????

CadillacPat

[CadillacPat]

Enough of your DO - DO pat.

Scale Auto Magazine, Volume 29 Number April 2008.
Page 23 Author Marc Havican

Titled "Awesome Acrylics !" Marc uses the 99cent paints, tube acrylics, createx, Delta Ceramics.

His explanation might educate you...even though this is what YOU posted

"I've never liked using any kind of Acrylics or waterbased paint."

Now its time to shut up, read and learn. I have been quite civil here, but you

NEED TO LEARN THE ACRYLIC FACTS

And-d-d--d, you're not going to post any pics either of all the cars you've painted with cheap craft paints????

CadillacPat

[my66s55]

Ignorance is bliss Pat. The difference between ignorance and stupid is you can't fix stupid. Which are you Pat? Apple Barrel gloss black @ $1.39 for 8oz.

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[WigWag Workshop]

For those who do use these low cost craft paints, what are you using to thin them for use in the airbrush? What is your mix ratio? The reason I am asking is, I am new to using an airbrush, and was thinking it would be for learning techniques.

-Steven

[CadillacPat]

Okay, since Holding, Futurebat, James, Hooter won't post their pics, or dont have any, I'll post some of mine shot 13 years ago with CHEAP CRAFT PAINTs like Apple Barrel and FolkArt, more or less paste in a bottle.















There it is from about 13 years ago. It wasn't just the finished texture of these CHEAP CRAFT PAINTS like Apple Barrel and Folk Art that I knew could be better, but the nightmare of proper thinning and the added dificulty of cleaning up afterwards of waterbased paints,
Give me solvents anytime.
So, then,
I moved up to the dollar aerosols at Walmart to use in my AirBrush.
The first thing I noticed was the user friendliness of Enamels and Lacquers and that the finished paintjob could be just as inexpensive as CHEAP CRAFT PAINTS. Plus solvent cleanup is so much easier and thorough.
So, then,
I used better Testors, ModelMaster and Tamiya. Again, improved results and stll just as cheap through my AirBrush as CHEAP CRAFT PAINTS.
Then I discovered House Of Kolor and since no one in the HotWheels DieCast Customizing world had ever spoken of it I decided to give it a try.
I already had my setup so House Of Kolor was really no more expensive than anything else,
My final paint cost on a car is about a Buck.

I formed an online House Of Kolor Co-Op and 12 of us divided up an $1100 order from Coast AirBrush.
That's the American way, when you run into a problem you find a way to solve it. We all got to try HOK and to this day all 11 of the other guys use it.

So,
After trying all those paints and discovering that House Of Kolor is no more expensive, and sometimes even less, than other types of paint, I have a pretty good grasp from experience.

I've shown that there are several just as frugal coices for paint choices than CHEAP CRAFT PAINTS

[MAGNUM4342]

[my66s55]

Who really cares what you did Pat? Those of us that know better and have learned how to apply acrylics properly can tell how much ###### you are full of. I guess you answered my question of stupid or ignorant. I'll leave it to the rest of the readers to judge for themselves. As for me. there is no question as to the answer.