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#41 sjordan2

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 10:07 AM

Exactly! Every box top, no matter how big or how small, has 5 different panels where graphics can appear.


On a normal kit box with a top that lifts off the bottom, that's correct. On the box I'm suggesting, it's 6 panels - 4 on the sides, and big ones on the top and bottom, all in color and all printed in one run-through. Having a sprue chart in black and white on the bottom is good for existing kits, but I think this approach is better.

Some makers, even decades ago, pasted a color appliqué on the bottom of the box, like the old Metal Master classic kits (but the bottom just showed other kits in the line, not more detail of the kit inside).

Edited by sjordan2, 04 October 2012 - 10:27 AM.


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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:30 AM

Ah, I see... you're talking about those "all one piece" boxes where the lid is actually hinged and doesn't lift off. Yeah, in that case there's even more area to print on... and even less excuses for manufacturers not to show us what's actually in the box.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 12:49 PM

This is what I'm talking about. Opening flaps at both ends on the same one-piece art, which simply folds around. Like I said, more space for graphics, regardless of the box dimensions.

TOP SIDE:


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BOTTOM SIDE:

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Edited by sjordan2, 04 October 2012 - 12:57 PM.


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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:00 PM

Ah, I see... you're talking about those "all one piece" boxes where the lid is actually hinged and doesn't lift off. Yeah, in that case there's even more area to print on... and even less excuses for manufacturers not to show us what's actually in the box.


Uh, didn't the model car kit marketplace pretty much force manufacturers to kill of those so-called donut boxex?

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:14 PM

Uh, didn't the model car kit marketplace pretty much force manufacturers to kill of those so-called donut boxex?

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How? When? Where? Why? Please explain. That makes no sense - why would the marketplace want less information under the shrinkwrap? What would you do to satisfy the need for more content information on the box as expressed on this thread?

Edited by sjordan2, 04 October 2012 - 01:23 PM.


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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:19 PM

Why does a guy with probably more knowledge about the subject than any three or ten put together get discounted so badly when he tries to explain what he knows from experience? :wacko:

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:27 PM

Skip... Art's talking about those boxes that had a lid that was actually hinged to the box along the side. That sort of "all in one" box was not very popular with some modelers (don't really get why)... but for some reason some people really got PO'd with those boxes.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:32 PM

Skip... Art's talking about those boxes that had a lid that was actually hinged to the box along the side. That sort of "all in one" box was not very popular with some modelers (don't really get why)... but for some reason some people really got PO'd with those boxes.


They don't hold up well stacked once opened and even unopened. They tend to fall apart because of the way they were constructed and put together unglued.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:38 PM

Skip... Art's talking about those boxes that had a lid that was actually hinged to the box along the side. That sort of "all in one" box was not very popular with some modelers (don't really get why)... but for some reason some people really got PO'd with those boxes.


Sorry, I don't know what kind of box you're talking about. Is it exactly the same as the one I just showed, which has a sturdy enough interior box? In any case, it's simple enough to put a wraparound paper wrapper on the typical boxes of today to show more information. It's still going to be shrinkwrapped. And if the box insert is the same as today's normal box bottoms, what's the difference? Sorry, I must be dense, but the box concept I showed above would seem to provide not only the same rigidity and protection as a typical kit box, but more since it wraps around.

In short, it's the same as today's kit boxes with a box top and box bottom, except the top also wraps around the bottom to provide more real estate for showing what's in the kit.

Edited by sjordan2, 04 October 2012 - 02:43 PM.


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Posted 04 October 2012 - 05:13 PM

the boxes being referred to were used by AMT (at least) a few years ago and they literally resemble a donut box as they are all one folded construction piece of light cardboard. as mentioned the problem was that when the top is open, and even when closed, they really arent stable like two piece boxes we are more familiar with.

and possibly the "model car kit marketplace" forced them to switch back...if so that would be one giant step for modelkind. those boxes were possibly easier to assemble, cheaper to manufacture and/or allowed more printing surfaces but they were lousy for holding and building the kit.

in my experience though, those Testors flat boxes illustrated above were the worst, especially for the fujimi enthusiasts series Porsche 356 kits...once you took out the parts it was pretty much impossible to put them back in.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 04:20 AM

Here's the most recent example that I can think of.
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This model cannot be built as depicted on the box art by using only what you find in the kit. I bought one, naively assuming that it would have MPC's Cragar SS wheels and that the decal sheet would have two or three different colors of stock Mopar stripes (black & white, possibly red). There are no Cragar SS wheels and no stock Mopar stripes. The kit did have some nice Centerline-type wheels, but the decal sheet was mostly made up of ugly blue & green custom/street striping.

Assuming someone like Keith Marks even made correct GTX decals, they'd probably cost at least $10.00 plus shipping, so I wasn't terribly happy with AMT/Round2/whoever.


That issue is from the RC2 days when the AMT brand was being managed by Cheryl ? something or other. At the time they were cranking out the reissues by the dozen or more. I was working along with their main box art builder (who wants to stay anonymous) and picking up some of the overflow. Typically the other builder would get the to do list with a deadline of "need by yesterday" and BTW, you'll have to supply your own kits. I'd get a call next to compare which kits I had vs what he had on hand and divide up the work load.

I always did a fresh "box stock" build but many times the other builder would just grab a finished model out of his collection and send it in to keep up with the demand. I'm sure Cheryl Whats-her-name was well aware of it but didn't care as long as the models were on time. Mind you this is the same person who was resposible for the F&F Camaro disaster. So the next time you see some box art model with a wired engine or not included wheels or decals now you know how it happened.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 04:26 AM

So basically... incompetence.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:35 AM

So basically... incompetence.

Who is getting the Incompetence tag Harry ?
Just wondering.

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Posted 07 February 2015 - 06:00 PM

I'm not 100% certain, but unless the driver is planning to roast marshmallows from the driver's seat, these "180 degree" headers are pictured incorrectly on the box  :lol::

 

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Posted 07 February 2015 - 06:57 PM

I think what that's supposed to mean is that both headers, taken together, form 180 degrees (one semi-circle) which they appear to do, above the engine and then cut backward to the rear of the engine. so looking at the engine from the front the headers would appear to form half a circle.

 

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Posted 07 February 2015 - 07:57 PM

I think what that's supposed to mean is that both headers, taken together, form 180 degrees (one semi-circle) which they appear to do, above the engine and then cut backward to the rear of the engine. so looking at the engine from the front the headers would appear to form half a circle.

The 180* part is based on how the exhaust pulses are matched with the primary tubes-- I recall the Monogram NASCAR kits' headers were that way-- but I was commenting on how the headers merge and exit above the engine on the box art, but maybe they DO exit behind the engine, just not as high as pictured on the box:

 

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It seems to me the headers pictured on the box would pass directly through the center of the windshield opening, and that's not the case on the model.



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Posted 08 February 2015 - 02:30 PM

I did not even take into consideration that this was a real car (duh its right there on the same panel!), I was getting confused with all the "what a bunch of dumb kits" posts elsewhere, and thought that was some kind of showrod fantasy or something.

 

that is a pretty darn wild looking exhaust system there and now I see exactly what you mean about cooking marshmellows because that header would be pretty much right in your face!

 

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Posted 09 February 2015 - 06:28 AM

Another great "Boxart" site, though, not many automotive subjects,but really cool, none the less.  :lol: http://www.boxartden...lery/index.php/  

 

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Posted 09 February 2015 - 08:47 AM

I remember when kit box tops were secured to the inside/bottom portion of the box with two small strips of masking tape (or similar tape) before shrink wrap was adopted.  Thus it was easy to verify what was in the box before purchasing the kit.

 

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