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[timc]

I have a question concerning HOK paints. I've never used HOK before so please bear with me.
I have these four colors...all in 1 oz.glass bottles.
1-Aquarius Shift
2-Dorado Dreams
3-Caribbean Surf
4-Transparent Pagan Gold
My question is what to use as a base coat?I was told by the shop owner that the first three are color shift paints and they should have a flat black base coat.The Pagan gold I was told to use any metallic color for a base and that final results would depend on the base color,which I can understand.
If anyone has used these colors please help me out here.Also could you post some pics of what they look like on models please.It's hard to visualize them through the little windows on the bottles.
As always any help is greatly appreciated,Thanks bigtim.

[CadillacPat]

Tim,
Can you post pics of the bottles?
Sounds like you might have some old Black Gold (repoured HOK).

But,
Since you say it is Kustom Kolor it could be some of that promotion that went bust at the same time it reached the shelves.

CadillacPat

Edited by CadillacPat, 07 October 2012 - 09:33 AM.

[fatkidd]

OK, I will try and help.

The shop owner is correct about the Pagan Gold as far as the end resulting color being based on your basecoat color. Pagan Gold is a candy and therefor by its nature is transparent. If you spray it over silver, it will be close to its color in the bottle. Over gold will give you a more goldish yellow, etc.
You might want to try visiting a local body shop that uses H.O.K. and see if they have a H.O.K. chip book and will allow you to look through it. It gives a representation of the metallic basecoat colors with the candies over it. You might check H.O.K.'s website, but it won't give you a good representation of the color.

this is the only example that I have of Pagan Gold...and it is over Orion Silver.


here is a link to the H.O.K. kandy koncentrate colors over Orion Silver... http://houseofkolor....hapes_kandy.jsp

and here is a link to a representation of the first 3 colors that you asked about (scroll down to the bottom)... http://houseofkolor....apes_pearls.jsp

I hope that this is some help to you.

[CadillacPat]

Tim,
Is this what you have?



Fatkidd, the links you posted are for Automotive HOK. Kustom Kolor is not HOK Paint although permission was obtained to use the name on the label.
Kustom Kolor paints were formulated specifically for quick drying on plastic models.
HOK sent me boxes of this Kustom Kolor in bottles and aerosols. It can be used successfully. However, I prefer to use real House Of Kolor Automotive paints.

CadillacPat

[fatkidd]

Pat, I understand that the links are for automotive, which is what I use.
I'm well aware that the Kustom Kolors are made by Valspar and are not true H.O.K. paints.

However, the colors will be pretty much be the same as what is represented by the speed shapes.
The OP asked for examples of the colors and that is what I assisted with.

[CadillacPat]

Fatkidd, You're close but they weren't made by Valspar.
They only contained pigments from HOK.
The whole Kustom Kolor idea is something that many at HOK were against (licensing out the HOK name for this particular idea) and the program collapsed quickly.

Many of the Kustom Kolor paints are named similarly to HOK colors but they do not all look like their counterparts. Some might but not all.

CadillacPat

[Longbox55]

The color shft paints should be used over black, though it does not have to be flat black. I've shot them over gloss blass black, they turn out very nic. I did test them over different colors just to see if it would work, but it just seems to mute the color shift effect to the point of not being worth shooting it that way.

I did this one with Carribean Surf on the bottom, Tequila Sunrise on the top. shot over gloss black, with a Duplicolor primer base that was polished out. The primer and base were rattle can, the finish coats were shot with (GASP) a Harbor Freight airbrush.
These were the Kustom Kolor versions. A little tip if what you have is indeed Kustom Kolor, since the KK paints tend to be a little soft, add a bit of Valspar Enamel Hardener #4625 to the mixh before you spray. It really helps with the dry time, hardness, and overall shine. You can get it anywhere that sells Valspar solvent base paints, I found it at Tractor Supply.

[timc]

Here is a pic of what I have.

[Longbox55]

That's the same as what I have. From what I understand, it's a modified urethane. It isn't really a bad paint, just poorly marketed.
Oh, and on the color shift paints, don't let what you see in the bottle fool you. The final colors are much richer that what you see, especially on Aquarius Shift, which is a deep blue/green flip.

[timc]

Ok thanks for the replies but what do I use as a basecoat? Flat black primer? That's what has me bumfuzzled here guys.
Also what can I use for clear coats? I have plenty of the testors one coat wet look clear.And can anyone post pics if they have used these colors please.bigtim.

Edited by timc, 08 October 2012 - 08:03 AM.

[CadillacPat]

Here is a pic of what I have.

Yes Tim, that's the Kustom Kolor 1 oz bottles that came along with the aerosol cans, cheap little plastic AirBrush guns, 1/64 scale stencils, and other accessories.
I always use Gloss Black for an underlying basecoat for Pearl additives and I would suggest Gloss and not Flat Black for your color shifting application.
You might get lucky and find someone who has used it. Some have used it but not very many. The paint just never made it around to a lot of people.
It all came and went quickly like a ghost.

CadillacPat

Edited by CadillacPat, 08 October 2012 - 09:07 AM.

[Longbox55]

I'm with Pat, use gloss black with the color shift paints. As far as a clear goes, the only one I've done where I used a clear, I used the Kustom Kolor rattle can clear. Wasn't really impressed with the shine, I got better results prepping the base and not clearing it. I do plan on testing some of the other clears I have in the workshop (Tamiya TS13, Testors Wet Look, Duplicolor Paint Shop) to see how they react.

[timc]

Thanks for the great info guys.It helped alot.Now if I could just get the time to try them out.

[Monty]

Thanks for the great info guys.It helped alot.Now if I could just get the time to try them out.

Tim, what did you use to reduce these for airbrush use?

[timc]

Monty,I haven't used mine yet but I believe they are airbrush ready and no thinning is necessary.