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[Futurabat]

Your silver engine photo, with the gold valve covers (the shape of the valve covers is the give-away) is a polyspherical-head engine, possibly correct for the '58, and based on the early hemi bottom end. The copper engine has the distributor forward and on the passenger side, and looks like a B-series wedge, built starting in '58 and also possibly correct for the car.

Though the air cleaners are similar, they're two different, distinct engines.

And THAT my friends is why I started this thread! I get in such a hurry sometimes that I miss things like that.
If I understand you right William, either engine should be correct for the '58, and the 318 (rear distributor) would be correct for Christine?

[ChrisPflug]

The screen shot pictures show the B engine (front distributor)- a lot of nice ones out there although the inline dual quad intake is tougher. Early engines also have less (4 versus 6) valve cover bolts- other than that its the same externally to the rest of the B family - 361, 383, and 400 and not too far off in scale to the taller deck RB -early Chrysler 383, 413, 426, 440

The dual quad 318 would be fairly rare and was standard (and only available) in actual Furys for '58, the dual quad 350 B series wedge engine ("Golden Commando") was optional in all the Plymouth lines for '58


Key visual features are no water through the intake with the upper radiator hose and heater hoses going to the water pump housing rather than the intake, front mounted angled distributor

Probably could have got better info but clarifying what you were looking for at the beginning of the thread

"Christine" is pretty far from an actual '58 Fury- probably closest to a mildly customized Belvedere

the "Christine" interior is custom from an unknown upholstery shop rather than factory Plymouth

Edited by ChrisPflug, 28 October 2012 - 08:52 AM.

[Futurabat]

Excellent information Chris, thank you. I've copied and saved it to my notepad. Here's where I think i'll be going with this project. Modelers have been engine swapping for decades so no problem there. The chassis and everything under it in the kit seem to be okay. At least i've never heard anyone gripe about it...yet. The interior...well the mods to that seem so minor that i'm sure a build here on the board will be enough to help anyone who wants to make the changes.

That leaves the body. I'm going to consult with a couple of the guys here who have done the big body fix and between us i'm sure we can come up with a body that will make Christine, or just your average 50's Plymouth fan proud. When that happens i'll re-open talks about getting her cast.

[timc]

Jacen,let me know how the carbs and air cleaners come out.I need a set for the same build myself.

[Futurabat]

Jacen,let me know how the carbs and air cleaners come out.I need a set for the same build myself.

I'm actually getting ready to pull a 'test shot' right now. I'll post a pic in the next hour.

[timc]

Tell me what you would need for a set of them and we'll work something out.I'm not gonna fuss too much with the body work on mine,it will be a task in itself to pull off the two tone paint and the side trim paint and foil for me. Thanks bigtim.

[Futurabat]

Man did I get lucky! I usually take several pictures of any one thing because the first one is almost always fuzzy. This time...I took one shot and the cam shut off saying 'change batteries'.


Fortunately it's a pretty clear shot. PM me for details. Other than the usual cleanup they look good and ready to go.

Edited by Futurabat, 28 October 2012 - 06:20 PM.

[blunc]

The first engine pic has Carter AFB carbs, just about any decent casting of Edelbrock 4bbl should be good for detail purposes, the other version Carter carbs look enough like Quadra-jet carbs at this scale as to make no difference...IMHO.

[mopargreg]

I cant really offer any more info than what has already been mentioned about the AMT 58 Plymouth. The roof line is off, the side trim stripe & the rear wing is off. But I will be interested in 1 possibly 2 resin 58 Plymouths from whoever makes them.

[Longbox55]

Something that hasn't been mentioned is the belance of the drivetrain. From everthing I've seen about the cars from Christine, the primary car was powered by the Golden Commando 350 B block engine. In addition, that engine was backed with a 3 speed column shift transmission, with a Borg-Warner RH-10 overdrive. I'm not sure what trans is in the kit, or where to find a proper Chrysler 3 speed, but the RH-10 overdrive unit can be found in the new tool AMT '57 Chevy, as well as the AMT '53 Studebaker Starlight Coupe.

[gpugh1976]

Christine was a push-button shifted car.

[Longbox55]

Seems we're both right. did a little checking, most of the cars used were automatics. However, Muscle 2, which was one of the stunt cars, was a 3 speed overdrive. It is the car that was used for the scene where Moochie gets killed. It was also the car that Collectible Automobile featured in their article on Christine, which is were I had got the information originally.

[Steve Milberry]

One thing of note about the engine in the kit.,,

It's actually a combonation of both the B-block and Poly engines.

I never notices it until the engine was all built and in and I started detailing the engine bay. It seems it has 2 upper rad hose inlets. One on the intalke manifold like a Poly and one on the front cover like a B-block.

I think it's actually a B-block with an incorrect Poly intale manifold as it also has B-block valve covers.

If I had noticed earlier I would have swapped out the intake for a different one. , , , Wonder if the "Christine" version will have a corrected engine with the duel carbs in the kit???

Edited by Steve Milberry, 02 November 2012 - 04:46 PM.

[Steve Milberry]

Oh, and BTW ,, looks like the tranny is an auto with an overdrive unit.

[Futurabat]

If I had noticed earlier I would have swapped out the intake for a different one. , , , Wonder if the "Christine" version will have a corrected engine with the duel carbs in the kit???

I think this is like the fourth time i've answered this since the Christine thread started. No, it will be a straight re-issue.

[Steve Milberry]

I think this is like the fourth time i've answered this since the Christine thread started. No, it will be a straight re-issue.

Ok, No problems.

I didn't see that before as I didn't read the "Christine" thread as I had no intrest in it.

Had no idea.

[Futurabat]

No biggie Steve, that's not the only thread I answered that question in. I just think it's funny and shows how diverse tastes are in modeling.

[Longbox55]

The part on the back of the kit transmission is the parking brake drum. Here's what the R-10 overdive looks like http://www.oldcarman...Page_05_jpg.htm

[Drake69]

Bump to top. I need to know what specific color red the movie car was. I read somewhere that they did it in "blood red", a specific color they made for the cars used in the film, but I haven't found a red that matches it. They are either the wrong shade, too bright, or too dark.

 

I also want the paint in lacquer and not enamel which is a royal pain to work with, get to dry properly, etc..., and nothing with metal flake in it for obvious reasons. I found Tamiya Matte White is good for the top, followed by a shot of Tamiya Gloss.Clear.

 

One other thing. I apparently have MOST of the Carter carb setup which is the top two oval pieces and a base, but I don't have the rest of the carb's manifold components OR the rest of the oval carbs (carbs look like they were cut in half for some reason, maybe I got two halves of ONE carb?).

 

Futurabat, are you still making the carb setups?

Edited by Drake69, 03 February 2013 - 01:54 AM.

[gtx6970]

I think all 1958 Fury's were 350 cu in B engines with 2 fours ???? Edit, just read the 318 poly with 2 fours is standard and the 350 with 2 fours was optional.

 

A dead give away for the poly head 318 is the bolts going thru the center of the valve covers.

 

Ps, if you need specific info on 1958 Fury's . I am having lunch with a buddy of mine this week  who knows a lot more about these cars than I do and will ask , so make a list .

 

ps, in your screen shot the Christine car has a B engine ( dist is in the ft ) probably a 350 cu in . And I don't think chrome valve covers or air cleaners were avail on anything in 1958

 

A couple things I do know. the side trim is not unique to the Fury, only the gold anodized insert is,, as is the gold anodized grille is 1958 Fury only.

Edited by gtx6970, 04 February 2013 - 03:41 AM.