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#41 Dave Van

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 11:40 AM

IIRC.....these are the Revell parts pack Pontiac's.......They have a great effort at being detailed...but they are so old....they come off OK. Odd parts break down. I stripped most of the chrome. Just OK....

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Note that the headers do not line up with exhaust....but being a showrod.....would not be the first time!!!

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 11:44 AM

in my opinion, the Revell Parts Pack engines are some of the best pieces in the universe. A lot of folks say they're "fiddly", but if you take your time and fit everything straight and square, you just can NOT get a better engine. Details are correct and crisp, and most of them have speed-parts for multiple build-options.

 

The chrome comes off easy with Easy-Off oven cleaner. One minor problem...some of the re-issued packs have excessive sink-marks. So far I've been able to correct them with a little putty, but when it happens on a finned valve cover (for instance) you'll have to raid the parts stash for replacements.

 

Once again, these make BEAUTIFUL engines.

 

The AMT engine packs are even better.

 

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The Pontiac is basically the same engine that's in the Challenger kit...

 

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Edited by Ace-Garageguy, 08 January 2014 - 12:08 PM.


#43 Bernard Kron

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 11:48 AM

I use Revell Parts Pak motors all the time. The blocks in particular have excellent detail. The speed parts are a bit oddball at times, they are definitely from the early 60's, But they build up beautifully and free me from the tyranny of kit engines. I buy them cheaply in multiples on eBay. I always strip them of chrome except the parts that would be chromed in a show car application. The one I've used least is the 427 Ford, but the other 3 commonly available varieties, the 283 Chevy small block, the Cadillac 354 V8 and the 421 Pontiac, are in constant rotation among my builds. There are other motors that Revell issued originally which are now extremely rare, among them a Buick Nailhead, a 392 Chrysler Hemi and an injected '63 Corvette V8. Here's a link to web site that has a nice look back at old Parts Packs from various manufacturers: http://robdebie.home.../partspacks.htm

 

A note in passing: I think the header mismatch in the post above using the Pontiac engines involved using the Parts Pack 427 Ford headers on them. The Parts Pack headers for the Pontiac are shown (although stripped of chrome) in the picture below

 

 

Here are a few examples of motors I've built. Most are modified to some degree from the Parts Pack version:

 

421 Pontiac:

 

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283 Chevy:

 

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454 Caddy:

 

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427 Ford:

 

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 12:38 PM

Thanks guys! I kinda thought they were decent from all the pics I've seen on eBay, but I've never seen one built. It looks like I have something to look forward to when they get here. Hey Bernard, where can I get one of those engine stands? I had one a gazillion yrs. ago, but I'll be dipped if have it now. Got rid of all my 60's and 70's kits when I got married in '79 Sure do wish I still had 'em...sigh

 

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 12:45 PM

... Hey Bernard, where can I get one of those engine stands? I had one a gazillion yrs. ago, but I'll be dipped if have it now. Got rid of all my 60's and 70's kits when I got married in '79 Sure do wish I still had 'em...sigh...

 

 

The George Jetson style one comes in the AMT '49 Ford Coupe kit IIRC and the simpler utility stand is in a whole lot of the early AMT 3-in-1's, Mine all come from AMT '39-'40 Fords of various flavors. I love 'em for these detail photographs...



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Posted 08 January 2014 - 05:29 PM

then there is the mysterious case of the revell "mooneyes" small block chevy (as used in the Mooneyes dragster and also available in parts pack):

 

 

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versus the (imo) superior AMT SBC that also somehow could be built into a front blower swept back pipe version remarkably similar to Revell's!

 

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 04:32 AM

There are other motors that Revell issued originally which are now extremely rare, among them a Buick Nailhead, a 392 Chrysler Hemi and an injected '63 Corvette V8.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bernard....cool recap. 

 

FWIW, the 392 Hemi is rebopped in the Revell Miss Deal kit.  It's identical as far as I can tell, except for the different exhaust headers, and the point that all the pieces are chromed in the Parts Pack version, vs. only those you'd actually want chromed in the Miss Deal kit. 

 

I agree that the 327 Chevy Parts Pack is the hardest to find. 

 

Also, I haven't read the entire thread so apologies in advance if I'm repeating something already said but many of Revell's full model kits of the early 60's contained engines that were designed in the same manner as their Parts Pack engines.  I'm particularly fond of the Cadillac in the Outlaw kit (which is similar to the Parts Pack Cad but has different building options including the intake manifold/carb setup), the blown Olds in the Beatnik Bandit (some really cool parts on that one), and even the 409 Chevy optional engine in the original Revell '55 Chevy kit.   

 

In any case, like others have said here, these Revell Parts Packs are cool engines, with excellent period-correct speed accessories, that are generally a fun and authentic build. 

 

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 04:34 AM

then there is the mysterious case of the revell "mooneyes" small block chevy (as used in the Mooneyes dragster and also available in parts pack):

 

versus the (imo) superior AMT SBC that also somehow could be built into a front blower swept back pipe version remarkably similar to Revell's!

 

 

 

 

J.B., gotta agree with you completely on this one.  The AMT Mooneyes is clearly superior, particularly in the exhaust headers rendition.  Nice builds btw!   TIM 



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Posted 09 January 2014 - 04:59 AM

Sad part is, if you really want to build a more correct Mooneye's Dragster, you should use the Attempt 1 chassis and the AMT SBC setup.



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Posted 09 January 2014 - 04:49 PM

>you should use the Attempt 1 chassis

 

I think the attempt 1 chassis is aka "dragmaster" chassis part pack...primary difference vs the "mooneyes" chassis is that the dragmaster includes the upper hoops (under cowl at its front and rear) and for some strange reason those chassis hoops are not present on the Mooneyes version. very strange. and of course the attempt 1 version has different side panels than the mooneyes or the dragmaster versions but that is body panel and not chassis itself.

 

edit: just checked (looked at photos) and I don't think the attempt 1 chassis does have those upper hoops...that leaves the dragmaster parts pack chassis as the best to use for the mooneyes dragster unless someone knows something I don't on the matter...

 

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Edited by jbwelda, 09 January 2014 - 05:38 PM.


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Posted 09 January 2014 - 06:32 PM

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Now for some information from  members on this board First William Just http://www.modelcars...showtopic=78785 next John Agugaliaro http://www.modelcars...showtopic=46663

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 12:29 PM

Hey, I'm thinking about dropping a Revell Parts-Pak Caddy in an AMT '36 Ford, does the engine come with a suitable transmission?



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Posted 28 January 2014 - 12:52 PM

David,

 

With the parts pack Caddy, you have a choice of a Hydramatic or an in-out box.  If you are doing a drag car, the in-out should fit with no or little problems; the Hydramatic may take some finagling to fit underneath the floor board.  You'll also need to make a motor mount and check for clearance with the wire axle.



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Posted 28 January 2014 - 01:02 PM

Thanks. I was planning on doing a mid to late fifties style hot rod.



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Posted 28 January 2014 - 01:56 PM

Bernard....cool recap. 

 

FWIW, the 392 Hemi is rebopped in the Revell Miss Deal kit.  It's identical as far as I can tell, except for the different exhaust headers, and the point that all the pieces are chromed in the Parts Pack version, vs. only those you'd actually want chromed in the Miss Deal kit. 

 

I agree that the 327 Chevy Parts Pack is the hardest to find. 

 

Also, I haven't read the entire thread so apologies in advance if I'm repeating something already said but many of Revell's full model kits of the early 60's contained engines that were designed in the same manner as their Parts Pack engines.  I'm particularly fond of the Cadillac in the Outlaw kit (which is similar to the Parts Pack Cad but has different building options including the intake manifold/carb setup), the blown Olds in the Beatnik Bandit (some really cool parts on that one), and even the 409 Chevy optional engine in the original Revell '55 Chevy kit.   

 

In any case, like others have said here, these Revell Parts Packs are cool engines, with excellent period-correct speed accessories, that are generally a fun and authentic build. 

 

TIM

The 327 Chevy pack was pieced into the Revell '57 Chevy kit (the old opening-doors one, due to be reissued this year).  If you have one, check out the tree with the unplated engine parts...you can see the "parts pack" style tree that surrounds the parts.  Some parts inside the tree are deleted because they weren't needed on the Chevy, or were redundant to parts on the existing plated tree.  I believe the switch was done around 1968, when other changes were made to the Chevy: different hood and trunk hinges, addition of the supercharger option (which was part of the parts pack), the drag front axle, and deletion of the roll bar and spare tire in favor of a molded plastic "tire cover". 

Prior to the reissues, the 427 Ford was probably the toughest engine to find, as it was the last one released (in 1965, one of the last few packs released).  The 327 Chevy might be a tough one, but I'd say that the Buick and the funky turbine are tough too.  People still pay a decent chunk of change for the Chrysler, even though it is available in the Miss Deal kit. 



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Posted 28 January 2014 - 02:04 PM

Here is the Ford motor I used a few years back, and I like the results. They can be "fiddly", but hey..sometimes that just is the way it works.

 

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 04:17 PM

The 327 Chevy pack was pieced into the Revell '57 Chevy kit (the old opening-doors one, due to be reissued this year).  If you have one, check out the tree with the unplated engine parts...you can see the "parts pack" style tree that surrounds the parts.  Some parts inside the tree are deleted because they weren't needed on the Chevy, or were redundant to parts on the existing plated tree.  I believe the switch was done around 1968, when other changes were made to the Chevy: different hood and trunk hinges, addition of the supercharger option (which was part of the parts pack), the drag front axle, and deletion of the roll bar and spare tire in favor of a molded plastic "tire cover". 

Prior to the reissues, the 427 Ford was probably the toughest engine to find, as it was the last one released (in 1965, one of the last few packs released).  The 327 Chevy might be a tough one, but I'd say that the Buick and the funky turbine are tough too.  People still pay a decent chunk of change for the Chrysler, even though it is available in the Miss Deal kit. 

Just to confirm...everything Mark says here I agree with....TB



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Posted 28 January 2014 - 04:19 PM

 

Here is the Ford motor I used a few years back, and I like the results. They can be "fiddly", but hey..sometimes that just is the way it works.

 

 

 

 

 

Mark...that looks very sharp.  And here's how I used it on one of my projects...http://public.fotki....the-pages-of-m/   TIM


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Posted 28 January 2014 - 06:06 PM

I'm surprised I haven't seen this thread before. I bought 4 of each of the re-makes many years ago and they have been sitting on a shelf ever since. Recently, I started pulling them out to build. The first, was the misnamed 354 Cadillac, which is really a .030" over 331 Caddy. Two transmissions, two intake systems and a REALLY neat little kit. I have nothing to put this is, because I just like building engines. I haven't wired this yet because I have too many projects on the bench right now, but it will be finished soon.

 

Hand-cut aluminum injector stacks, Altered States OE valve covers and a couple of other little adjustments round out a stock kit. Chrome stripped from everything and the resin valve covers were Alclad chromed. Nice little builds, for sure.

 

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Anyone have a nailhead they don't want? :)



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 05:52 AM

I'm surprised I haven't seen this thread before. I bought 4 of each of the re-makes many years ago and they have been sitting on a shelf ever since. Recently, I started pulling them out to build. The first, was the misnamed 354 Cadillac, which is really a .030" over 331 Caddy. Two transmissions, two intake systems and a REALLY neat little kit. I have nothing to put this is, because I just like building engines. I haven't wired this yet because I have too many projects on the bench right now, but it will be finished soon.

 

Hand-cut aluminum injector stacks, Altered States OE valve covers and a couple of other little adjustments round out a stock kit. Chrome stripped from everything and the resin valve covers were Alclad chromed. Nice little builds, for sure.

 

cadillac_331_005.jpg

 

 

Anyone have a nailhead they don't want? :)

Sharp!!!!  TB