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#41 Art Anderson

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 11:41 AM

Whatever happened to the old Renwal Revival kits? The modern versions of classic cars.


Renwal closed up in the late 1960's or early 1970's, one of the original makers of plastic toys and hobby kits. Some tooling was bought by Revell (Renwal was the original mfr of the "Visible V8" kit for example). Some model car kit subjects from Renwal made it into Revell's lineup, notably the 1/12 scale '65 Mustang Fastback and the 1/12 scale Mercedes Benz 300SL Gullwing coupe, along with much of the armor kits that Renwall produced in the late 1950's. Some other Renwal tooling was acquired by Glencoe Models as well.

As for the "Revival" series of car kits--those started in the mind of Virgil Exner Sr., who was the chief stylist at Chrysler from 1953-l962; as renderings for an article about what the great Classic Cars of the 20's and 30's might look like in 1966 if still in production (Mercer, Stutz, Duesenberg, Packard, Jordan Playboy, Bugatti), in Esquire Magazine about 1964 or so. Two of the designs were actually built as real cars: The Mercer-Cobra, coachbuilt by Ghia on a 289 Cobra chassis for the American Copper & Brass Association (all the trim, and the cast wheels, were in copper, bronze and brass), and the Bugatti 101C also got coachwork by Ghia on one of just 3 or 4 T101C chassis & drive trains that Exner spotted on a visit to Molsheim in eastern France in the late 1940's, buying that rolling chassis from Le Patron himself. Both cars still exist today, in the collection of General William Lyons USAF Ret. in California (I've seen both cars, and they are stunning).

Renwall introduced those Revival kits in either late 1965 or early 1966, but they were notoriously poor sellers--several hobby wholesalers still had unsold stock of them well into the early 1980's, believe it or not. I think it's doubtful that even if the tooling could be found, they'd do very much in the marketplace today.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 12:03 PM

I'd like to see someone bring back the ittle Pinto Pro-Mod Kit !! with a Big 427 under the Hood!!

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 02:50 PM

I'd love to see the Pinto too!
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 03:04 PM

I would like to see the MPC 1969-72 Pontiac Grand Prix before they ruined it with the "SuperFly" and "Sweat Hogs" versions .

#45 Greg Myers

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 08:21 AM

Daddy...I dind't know about the Sizzler parts in the S'cool bus. Which parts made the leap? Thanks for the insight on that one! TIM

UPDATE - in reading the rest of this thread, I see some are questioning this. I have the Sizzler kit but not sure I have the S'Cool Bus...wonder if anyone can pull out the kits and look (and photographs would be even better).

I think it somewhat unlikely that an old kit like the Sizzler would have been used to source the Daniell one-off's like the S'cool....that's why this statement caught my interest.

TIM


I have done this comparison. My findings were the two (LOL, one multi engined kit and the other a dual engined kit) engines were similar, however the valve covers were different and the blocks were different , in that one had a semblance of a transmission and the other didn't. Molding marks on the inside of the engines were also different as were the exhaust mountings on each. Photos? That would be great, however I have made a move to a new home and stuff is everywhere.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 01:58 PM

I have done this comparison. My findings were the two (LOL, one multi engined kit and the other a dual engined kit) engines were similar, however the valve covers were different and the blocks were different , in that one had a semblance of a transmission and the other didn't. Molding marks on the inside of the engines were also different as were the exhaust mountings on each. Photos? That would be great, however I have made a move to a new home and stuff is everywhere.


Thanks Greg for the info....TIM

PS - good luck with straightening out after the move. I did that a bunch of times earlier in my career and man I feel you pain, even to this day! TB

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 02:06 PM

35 years of putting kits away one at a time.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:59 PM

Two of the designs were actually built as real cars: The Mercer-Cobra, coachbuilt by Ghia and the Bugatti 101C. Both cars still exist today, in the collection of General William Lyons USAF Ret. in California (I've seen both cars and they are stunning).

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Actually Art three of Exner's cars got built. The 1970s Stutz Bearcat II. http://darquewandere...set=72#/d261rqn

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 08:49 AM

I'd like to see a new '64 Galaxie- not a clone of the still available craftsman/promotional kit. The original kit had working headlights. It was one of the first kits that my Mom bought me.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:58 PM

I remember that one. wonder if the light feature is still in the kit? It was just a hole in the grill section that held a bulb.

#51 Art Anderson

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 08:49 AM

Actually Art three of Exner's cars got built. The 1970s Stutz Bearcat II. http://darquewandere...set=72#/d261rqn


The Stutz revival car, while using much of the lines of the original Exner renderings, really isn't done exactly as Virgil Exner designed it though, due as much to its having been introduced several years after Virgil Exner Sr's death in the late 1960's (the pontoon shaped front fenders with 'bubbled" clear plastic headlight covers being the principal change--headlight covers were not allowed on US spec automobiles for many years). There was a fourth "Exneresque" revival car proposed for production, the 1966 Duesenberg from a new, startup company, The Duesenberg Corporation, which used a lot of Exner themes though. Just one prototype was built, on a Chrysler Imperial platform, bodywork again from Ghia--for showing to potential investors in the company, as well as to prospective buyers. The Duesenberg Corporation even enlisted Fritz Duesenberg, son of Augie Duesenberg--brother of the legendary Fred Duesenberg, himself the designer of the famed Duesenberg Model J of 1929-37. Fritz Duesenberg was made an honorary director of Duesenberg Corporation, but took no actual role in that company--he was in rather poor health, and by the early 1970's, was a resident of the Indiana Soldiers Home (now Indiana Veteran's Home) at West Lafayette IN, and passed away there in 1976, having been virtually an invalid ridden with arthritis for several years. This car never reached production, as not enough investor interest resulted in capital needed to start making them for sale. 1966 Duesenberg Model D:

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This car still exists, on display at the Auburn-Cord-Duesenberg Museum in Auburn IN, resting there in company with several actual Duesenberg Model A's, a Model X, a Model Y, and a nice collection of Model J's.

Of the two exact copies of Exner's Revival Cars, the Mercer-Cobra, and the Bugatti Type 101C, the Bugatti comes forth as the only car ever built EXACTLY as Exner intended, given his ownership of one of three Type 101C rolling chassis, and was built to his instruction by Ghia for his personal use. The Mercer became the Mercer Cobra, built under commission for the American Brass and Copper Institute, a trade organization of companies producing brass, copper and bronze products, as a means of proposing to the auto industry the use of polished brass, copper and bronze trim on automobiles. As such, it was built on a stretched 289 Cobra chassis, but is probably a bit smaller than what Exner might have envisoned originally--but it sure does capture very well the concept as Exner intended.

I have a couple of each of those in my build pile still--one of these days!

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 09:10 AM

How about the uncertain T ?

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 10:34 AM

I'd love to see this kit backdated, especially with the cut out Paris street scene. I doubt it will ever happen, but I'm sure a few Man from U.N.C.L.E. fans would be happy to see it return. Sadly, this eventually was modified into the "Piranha" dragster. :(




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Posted 25 November 2012 - 11:23 AM

The AMT 1972 Chevrolet Chevelle SS & The AMT Kenworth W-925. The AMT Pinto mentioned earlier as well.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:23 PM

I'd love to see this kit backdated, especially with the cut out Paris street scene. I doubt it will ever happen, but I'm sure a few Man from U.N.C.L.E. fans would be happy to see it return. Sadly, this eventually was modified into the "Piranha" dragster. :(/>



The Man from U.N.C.L.E. car (later issued as the Mademoiselle Secret Agent 97 without any alterations) and the Piranha were first issued around the same time. They didn't share a single part.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:35 PM

I remember that one. wonder if the light feature is still in the kit? It was just a hole in the grill section that held a bulb.

The '64 Galaxie annual kit that had the working light feature is now the Modified Stocker kit. The curbside kit that Model King issued a few years back is the original 1964 promotional model, later issued as a Craftsman Series kit and as an Ertl Blueprinter mail-order item. Apparently AMT created two '64 Galaxie tools: one for promotional models, another for the kits. Some parts interchange between the two (which would make sense because AMT would have used one set of masters to create the two tools).

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 05:37 PM

The Man from U.N.C.L.E. car (later issued as the Mademoiselle Secret Agent 97 without any alterations) and the Piranha were first issued around the same time. They didn't share a single part.


You're right. I was thinking of the "double" Piranha kit:

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 06:02 PM

I'm diffinetly on board with the Uncertain T. Love that kit. There are some rumers about it but nothing solid.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 06:57 PM

After looking over the Tom Daniel site the other day, I ran across a link to let Revell know what kits we would like to see re-issued. The Tom Daniel Dog Catcher, was once upon a time turned into the...
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I sent a message saying I knew about the re-tooling but wondered if there was a chance it could once again become the...
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I recieved a message back from Ed Sexton saying they were considering it due to the amount of requests they recieve. :D
Here's the link to Tom's site... http://www.tomdaniel.com/ and here's the link if you want to let Revell know which kits YOU want to see re-issued. http://www.tomdaniel...td_message.html (I'd consider it a personal favor if you could spend a minute to vote for the Dog Catcher :D )

Edited by Futurabat, 27 November 2012 - 06:58 PM.


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Posted 02 December 2012 - 08:17 AM

The AMT 1972 Chevrolet Chevelle SS & The AMT Kenworth W-925. The AMT Pinto mentioned earlier as well.

 

For me specificly the 1972 Chevelle Red Alert  Amt Kit# T550!