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[martinfan5]

I will add one more example of scratch built, I will share my 99% scratch built trailer I built it using evergreen stock, the only parts from a kit are the tires/wheels, and P/E door handles
http://s1000.photobu...erlite Trailer/

[Danno]

IMO, THIS is scratch built - pure and simple. And I am in awe everytime I ck updates

http://www.modelcars...opic=53895&st=0

No question. That body is scratchbuilt! (And, amazing!)

[martinfan5]

No question. That body is scratchbuilt! (And, amazing!)

I there was not a WIP thread, I would not believe it was scratch built

[sjordan2]

As far as bad grammar, I could care less, I've got a build to finish, it's a nascar.

And now I'm going to kill my self!

I can't resist. I just can't So far, no one has caught Harry's elbow in the ribs about "I could care less," which means, obviously, that you COULD care less. The phrase is "I COULDN'T care less."

Further, you don't build a nascar. NASCAR is an acronym for the National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing that uses all caps, and should be an adjective used in a phrase such as "I build NASCAR race cars." Otherwise, you're saying, "I build the National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing."

Nanny-nanny-boo-boo.

As I said, I couldn't resist.

Edited by sjordan2, 19 November 2012 - 10:49 AM.

[Harry P.]

We'll just have to agree to disagree about using "build" as a noun, Harry.

Not just me. The dictionary disagrees with you, too.

[2002p51]

Further, you don't build a nascar. NASCAR is an acronym for the National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing that uses all caps, and should be an adjective used in a phrase such as "I build NASCAR race cars." Otherwise, you're saying, "I build the National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing."

That's what I've been saying for years.

It would be the same as calling this "an NHRA".

[sjordan2]

Not just me. The dictionary disagrees with you, too.

Insofar as "build" is concerned, I would submit that nonstandard variations are common in jargon across a multitude of special interests, industries and eras, and may not always be found in a dictionary. Within our community, I think "build" is an acceptable noun.

For example, trying to "grow" your business or the economy is not a traditional verb, but it has caught on.

And is it scratchbuilt, scratch-built or scratch built? Things to ponder about.

Edited by sjordan2, 19 November 2012 - 11:47 AM.

[rel14]

why is a driveway, some place you park? why is a parkway. someplace you drive,? why are they called aPARTments,
when there all stuck together? Who was the first person to pick up that round red thing,,and say this is a good APPLE? Why don't the Stars come out every night? and on and on....

[mspeanut]

Really, If your having fun Building (what ever it may be) does it matter what the person who built, Calls it, it's a Hobby for God's Sake, just have Fun, you know at my age I just enjoy the remarkale Builds on this Forum, as I'm not longer able to build, I find even the smallest of Cars Trucks Etc. Remarkale, if it is a Box Build, a Drawing it's a Art piece, forget the it if a word is spelled wrong, most of us know what was meant, we all most likely left School years ago, now were all learning a new subject it's called enjoyment, relaxeation, Hobby !!! Please forgive my poor Spelling, I'm just plain dumb

[LDO]

...Please forgive my poor Spelling, I'm just plain dumb

Well, you ARE a Marine.

Just kidding. Ex-Army here. Had to give you a little jab. We all had a job to do and we did it. Thank you for your service.

Lee

[mspeanut]

Well, I just received another email, it seems as though I've insulted a Scratch builder! sorry that you found me saying something that was on my mind, my Opinion,which I believe that were all intiteled to on this forum unless you Swear!
So reloly Gentlemen What's really in a name, do any of us really know were the word came from? Harry in on of hie intitled remark's sure the Dictonary as a reference, would said that every word in the Dictonary is right, a bunch of people like us, why do we call a Orange a Orange, because someone many many years ago said it, what made that word right?
What I'm really trying to get accross is that we belong to a Building type forum that we as people say things in our own way! once a Model is Built by what ever means, we all seem to prasise the Model as well as the Builder, A Dear friend of mine is Scratch building me A Tony Stewart Lte Model Dirt Car Scratched Built, his name is Dirt Demon on Scale Spints Forum, I supplied all the Parts except for Decals and Paint, I' sure that once I receive it, I know that I'llinform everyone that it was Scartched Built by my Very Good Friend, Bill Chick, so now you all can rest easy, and forget what this Old Man had to say, but no matter how it's put you still built a Model!!! don't we have enough daily problems to deal with?

[Harry P.]

Insofar as "build" is concerned, I would submit that nonstandard variations are common in jargon across a multitude of special interests, industries and eras, and may not always be found in a dictionary. Within our community, I think "build" is an acceptable noun.

For example, trying to "grow" your business or the economy is not a traditional verb, but it has caught on.

And is it scratchbuilt, scratch-built or scratch built? Things to ponder about.

I realize that "build" is accepted as a noun among many modelers, all I'm saying is that it's not grammatically correct, as Drew initially pointed out. And as far as Model Cars Magazine is concerned, it's "scratchbuilt." I have to edit copy all the time because some people say "scratch-built" and some say "scratch built." But our "official" version is all one word, no hyphen.

[Harry P.]

Well, I just received another email, it seems as though I've insulted a Scratch builder!

The thing is, the definition of "scratchbuilding" isn't a matter of opinion, it's a word that has a specific definition and when used, means a certain thing. But when misused, it drives real scratchbuilders crazy. It's like a person baking a cake from a Betty Crocker mix and frosting it with frosting out of a can and entering it in a bake-off and saying they made it from scratch. Someone else in the bake-off who actually did make their cake from scratch is not going to be very happy with the Betty Crocker person going around claiming that their cake was made from scratch.

And I used the dictionary in my post because the dictionary is the "referee" as far as correct usage, spelling and grammar. If we didn't have an accepted "official" source, and no rules for grammar, spelling, etc. at all, we'd all be speaking and writing our own version of English, and odds are most of us wouldn't understand each other.

[G Holding]

BUILD IS A SHORT VERSION OF "BUILDUP"

Edited by G Holding, 19 November 2012 - 12:26 PM.

[Harry P.]

BUILD IS A SHORT VERSION OF "BUILDUP"

As in waxy yellow?

[rmvw guy]

I read somewhere that nascar started out as nice car. "You sure got a nascar there."

[Ace-Garageguy]

And I used the dictionary in my post because the dictionary is the "referee" as far as correct usage, spelling and grammar. If we didn't have an accepted "official" source, and no rules for grammar, spelling, etc. at all, we'd all be speaking and writing our own version of English, and odds are most of us wouldn't understand each other.

And of course, all linguists agree that Engilsh hasn't changed at all since it was first spoken, in its perfectly developed form, and so a dictionary that was valid 200 years ago is still 100% correct in every way today, because it's not how people actually use the language that shapes it over time, but it's an arbitrary, never-changing, rigid standard in a book.

Actually, I'm inside a dog, and it's just too dark to read the damned dictionary anyway.

[Harry P.]

And of course, all linguists agree that Engilsh hasn't changed at all since it was first spoken, in its perfectly developed form, and so a dictionary that was valid 200 years ago is still 100% correct in every way today, because it's not how people actually use the language that shapes it over time, but it's an arbitrary, never-changing, rigid standard in a book.

Actually, I'm inside a dog, and it's just too dark to read the damned dictionary anyway.

Who said language doesn't change over time? Obviously it does, and obviously dictionaries are constantly edited to add new words and remove obsolete ones. But the dictionary is still the recognized source for correct spelling and usage. And by the way, I didn't use a 200-year old dictionary, I used dictionary.com, which I'm pretty sure didn't exist 200 years ago.

[Ace-Garageguy]

The only point I'm trying to make is that if enough people, for long enough, use 'build' as a noun to mean 'something being built', it most likely will become accepted usage and make it into the book of rules. In the recent past, several verbs have taken on usage as nouns, and nouns have added verb usages to their definitions (in the less abridged dictionaries, anyway). I agree that precision in language use IS important, and writing within the accepted framework of today's language is essential for clear communication, but if enough people accept a particular usage, it BECOMES the accepted usage.

[Danno]

I think Ace was speaking 'tongue-in-cheek,' which is an ironic or mildly sarcastic version of 'speaker-inside-dog.'

"I supplied all the Parts ..."

And, sorry, Michael, but if you supplied "all the parts" to the builder, he is NOT scratchbuilding a model for you. He might be assembling one. He might scratchbuild other portions of it. But if you ~ or anyone else ~ provides "all the parts" he cannot scratchbuilt it. Period.

"Scratchbuilding" is mutually exclusive of any form of 'out of box' or kitbashing or assembling of parts.