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#1 m408

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Posted 01 September 2007 - 01:29 PM

Hi all,

Per my previous posts, I'm trying my hand at my first diorama. Gonna keep it simple, a used car lot. But here's the catch.
It will be in an enclosed area, once used for wine storage. 28"x19"x7" trapazoidial base, which will give me plenty of room. However, the space is also 29" high starting 4" from the floor. I plan to put in a false bottom in to raise it about 8" for better viewing. Still lots of overhead space which will look bad. Here is my question. Is there a source available for perspective prints that could be added to the back and side walls depicting other structures, trees, a sky with clouds, etc...?

I'd like my diorama to be the star of a larger scene.

I guess I could get a local artist to paint it for me, but don't know of any or any way to contact one.

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Posted 01 September 2007 - 04:46 PM

hey milt.... try http://walthers.com/ search backgrounds...got this info from barbo he used it in his suitcase diorama i think...i order a couple they are really cool....neal

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Posted 02 September 2007 - 12:23 PM

hey milt.... try http://walthers.com/ search backgrounds...got this info from barbo he used it in his suitcase diorama i think...i order a couple they are really cool....neal

Thanks Neal, I checked them out. Only thing in 1:24 scale was a bunch of figures. No backgrounds. But anyhow, thanks again for the try.
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Posted 02 September 2007 - 03:42 PM

milt...here is the link directly to the page for instant buildings http://walthers.com/...stant buildings not sure if this it what u are looking for but take a look...also if u want to see them in use look a barbo's diorama on page 2 i think call book diorama...neal

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Posted 02 September 2007 - 05:40 PM

Hi.....outlaw035...you are right about the backgrounds of Walthers . m408 can check model train hobby shops in the area they have good variety. I am at Orlando at this moment and got a few more at Colonial Hobby Shop , by the way , its a great hobby shop for diorama building accesories ....Be Happy................Barbo.

Edited by Barbo, 18 September 2007 - 04:13 PM.


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Posted 02 September 2007 - 05:58 PM

Hi...again outlaw035...will you be at the Oct.13-14 Tampa event....I will be there for the first time...Barbo

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Posted 03 September 2007 - 07:36 AM

milt...here is the link directly to the page for instant buildings http://walthers.com/...stant buildings not sure if this it what u are looking for but take a look...also if u want to see them in use look a barbo's diorama on page 2 i think call book diorama...neal

Very nice stuf at good prices, but, HO scale. I'm trying to figure out how to offset them up the back walls to give a "distance" effect. Then they would work great.

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Posted 03 September 2007 - 03:59 PM

hi barbo...yes i will be at tampa...neal

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Posted 03 September 2007 - 05:46 PM

Great...outlaw035.....see you soon .Today I Recieved info of the next IPMS Pelican Model Club event Oct.20-21 , St. Petersberg , Florida. Its going to be a busy and fun month ...............Barbo

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Posted 03 September 2007 - 08:57 PM

I hope I am on the right track with this
I have used calanders for backgrounds in many picture/dios before
Often times there are scenes there that would be perfect for a background
Back in the "old" days, I would make a small fence from popsicle sticks and black sandpaper for the street and have at that time what I thought was a cool background setup
But, now, with my "trained" eye, things are not as what they seem, but the illusion is still there
The calanders are great for backgrounds, but the fences and what is closer to the eye have to be more in scale

I will see if I can find some pics of my first attempts at this back in `87 or so

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Posted 04 September 2007 - 07:37 AM

I hope I am on the right track with this
I have used calanders for backgrounds in many picture/dios before
Often times there are scenes there that would be perfect for a background
Back in the "old" days, I would make a small fence from popsicle sticks and black sandpaper for the street and have at that time what I thought was a cool background setup
But, now, with my "trained" eye, things are not as what they seem, but the illusion is still there
The calanders are great for backgrounds, but the fences and what is closer to the eye have to be more in scale

I will see if I can find some pics of my first attempts at this back in `87 or so

Thanks Gregg, neat idea. I'm also thinking about getting some HO scale backgrounds, taking them to a photo shop and have them enlarged. Any idea what the ratio between HO and G scale is? I know G is real close to 1:24.

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Posted 04 September 2007 - 09:31 AM

HO scale its between 1:64 to 1:80 more or less.

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Posted 04 September 2007 - 01:16 PM

HO scale its between 1:64 to 1:80 more or less.

Thanks a bunch. So if I get HO backgrounds and have them blown up 3x I'm going to be real close.

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Posted 04 September 2007 - 05:32 PM

Hi....Gregg....the backdrop (background) I used for the TRIBUTE TO 911 Diorama is from a aniversary calender . About having enlarged a backdrop , I go to Office Max it cost less . They do not know about scale, but what I do is , if it is a natural outdoor scenary I use what is known as EYE-METER , I decide what I want to be viewed by the spectator so I can play with scale. Now, if the backdrop has a structure I use a scale point of view ,such as windows , doors or any element that I can measure with a scale . For example , a HO (1/8'') scale backdrop with a typical entrance door of aprox. 7'-0'' (feet) tall, the door is 7/8'' tall. This is the formula:::::: I enlarge twise the HO scale backdrop and I have a 'O' scale (1/4'')backdrop with a door of 7/4'' tall . I enlarge twise the 'O' scale backdrop and I have a G scale (1/24) backdrop with a door of 1-3/4'' tall. I hope this can help .......have fun....Barbo

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Posted 06 September 2007 - 07:46 AM

Hi....Gregg....the backdrop (background) I used for the TRIBUTE TO 911 Diorama is from a aniversary calender . About having enlarged a backdrop , I go to Office Max it cost less . They do not know about scale, but what I do is , if it is a natural outdoor scenary I use what is known as EYE-METER , I decide what I want to be viewed by the spectator so I can play with scale. Now, if the backdrop has a structure I use a scale point of view ,such as windows , doors or any element that I can measure with a scale . For example , a HO (1/8'') scale backdrop with a typical entrance door of aprox. 7'-0'' (feet) tall, the door is 7/8'' tall. This is the formula:::::: I enlarge twise the HO scale backdrop and I have a 'O' scale (1/4'')backdrop with a door of 7/4'' tall . I enlarge twise the 'O' scale backdrop and I have a G scale (1/24) backdrop with a door of 1-3/4'' tall. I hope this can help .......have fun....Barbo

Wouldn't it have to be enlarged once more? Unless my numbers are way wrong, a 7' door scaled to 1:24 would actually be 3.5" Are my calculations messed up?

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Posted 06 September 2007 - 06:17 PM

Hi...m408...you are right....the number 1-3/4'' is wrong it must be 3.5 (3-1/2'') it is not necesary to enlarge once more..thanks for your observation . I will post tomorow photos of the backdrops I purchase today at Colonial Hobby Shop ,Orlando. And the enlargements I did at Office Max...have fun...Barbo

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Posted 07 September 2007 - 07:05 AM

Hi...m408...you are right....the number 1-3/4'' is wrong it must be 3.5 (3-1/2'') it is not necesary to enlarge once more..thanks for your observation . I will post tomorow photos of the backdrops I purchase today at Colonial Hobby Shop ,Orlando. And the enlargements I did at Office Max...have fun...Barbo

Great. Looking forward to the pictures. With the help of all of you, my first effort seems to be coming together.

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Posted 14 September 2007 - 04:57 PM

Hi.....Sorry for the delay ....The first photo demonstrate a partial enlargement of the backdrop. The second photo is a label of one of the backdrops kit by Walthers and the third photo is a sample of the easy to do instructions sheets . The method is the same in any sheet or cardboard backdrop. What I did on my first ''Book Diorama'' was cut each structure and glue them on foamboard with different thickness , this looks as if each structure is in dif. distance. Hope you like the idea........Have Fun ....Barbo. http://s123.photobuc...5/mb4985/B1.jpg http://s123.photobuc...5/mb4985/B2.jpg http://s123.photobuc...5/mb4985/B3.jpg

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Posted 17 September 2007 - 01:31 PM

Hi.....Sorry for the delay ....The first photo demonstrate a partial enlargement of the backdrop. The second photo is a label of one of the backdrops kit by Walthers and the third photo is a sample of the easy to do instructions sheets . The method is the same in any sheet or cardboard backdrop. What I did on my first ''Book Diorama'' was cut each structure and glue them on foamboard with different thickness , this looks as if each structure is in dif. distance. Hope you like the idea........Have Fun ....Barbo. http://s123.photobuc...5/mb4985/B1.jpg http://s123.photobuc...5/mb4985/B2.jpg http://s123.photobuc...5/mb4985/B3.jpg

Tried all three links and get a "page not found" message on each. What am I doing wrong?

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Posted 17 September 2007 - 06:07 PM

Hi...m408......Try to see the photos now , I think there was something wrong with photobucket........Have Fun..............Barbo