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#1 meaneyme

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 02:23 PM

There are still some modelers out there that think the more photo-etch and aftermarket parts you add to your models, the better your chances will be to win at a contest. What about cleanliness? Scale accuracy? Paint? Basics of a build? Please help me make some people understand.

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 02:29 PM

How do properly applied aftermarket details interfere with cleanliness, accuracy and basics? 



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Posted 30 December 2012 - 02:43 PM

I feel the same way Kevin. The basics you mentioned should always come first. It doesn't matter how many details one adds if they are put on with gobs of glue,crooked etc. I'll take a cleanly built box stock or curbside model over a sloppily detailed model any day.



#4 martinfan5

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 02:44 PM

Because the builders you are talking about believe that the ohhh shiny if you will of adding P/E sets and aftermarket goodies will make up for not covering the basic's of modeling building.  It is what it is,  just build your builds and dont worry about what other builders do , or dont do on their builds, like is to short for it ;)



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Posted 30 December 2012 - 02:45 PM

I don't believe he's implying that you can't build a contest winning model with aftermarket pieces IF (and it's a big if) you have the basics of modeling down in the first place.

 

What he's saying is why do some people insist on building piles of dog business and then pour $150 worth of wiring and photo-etch into said business and presume that it's magically a good model rather than a expensive "jewel" encrusted pile of business.

 

That sort of segues into that always dangerous topic around here of people then going and telling the builder of the business that it IS in fact a FANTABULOUS model of epic proportions unrivaled by few things of beauty in the known world, while 99% of the people who see it's a pile of business keep quiet for fear of offended the builder to the level of butt-hurtedness.


Edited by niteowl7710, 30 December 2012 - 02:47 PM.


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Posted 30 December 2012 - 02:47 PM

I don't believe he's implying that you can't build a contest winning model with aftermarket pieces IF (and it's a big if) you have the basics of modeling down in the first place.

 

What he's saying is why do some people insist on building piles of dog business and then pour $150 worth of wiring and photo-etch into said business and presume that it's magically a good model rather than a expensive "jewel" encrusted pile of business.

It those builders think that if they pour $150 of aftermarket goodies that it will make up for they pile of dog business of a model :lol:



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Posted 30 December 2012 - 02:53 PM

Some people know what to do with aftermarket parts, some people don't. It can go both ways. The basics however must always be observed, no question about that.

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 02:56 PM

Some people know what to do with aftermarket parts, some people don't. It can go both ways. The basics however must always be observed, no question about that.

 

Well said and nothing to add. 



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Posted 30 December 2012 - 03:06 PM

The builders in question do it because they feel it makes up for their lack of skills of basic model building, and by adding all sorts of aftermarket goodies, it makes them feel better about their build that in their mind would other wise suck, but in reality, it just looks like when the MythBusters polished up a turd.

 

So in their minds, the over compensation of the aftermarket stuff will in turn make the build better,and hopefully hide all the stuff that was not done properly from people looking at their build, and in most case's , it will be overlooked, and the build and builder will get the praise.



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Posted 30 December 2012 - 03:07 PM

Jacen is absolutely right. Trying to force others to do things to conform to the way you want them to do it is a losing battle from the start.



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Posted 30 December 2012 - 03:08 PM

i play drums

i have a very basic drum set, bass drum, floor drum, 2 toms and a snare

every once in a while i see a music video where the drummer had a drumset with a drum count well over 20 pieces, you know the type, the ones you need to be airlifted into because of how many drums there are

 

ive thought off getting a kit like that before because of the "coolness: level but i have refrained from it every time because i have yet to master my skills to get the best out off the few drums i allready

 

i believe the same principle applies to aftermarket parts on models



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Posted 30 December 2012 - 03:10 PM

Jacen is absolutely right. Trying to force others to do things to conform to the way you want them to do it is a losing battle from the start.

Agreed, but no one has any right to try and force any one to build their models they bought with their money to build it a way you want them to ;) .



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Posted 30 December 2012 - 03:12 PM

Agreed, but no one has any right to try and force any one to build their models they bought with their money to build it a way you want them to ;) .

 

The poster originally said "help me make some people understand."

 

That won't work. You can't force your opinion on others.



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Posted 30 December 2012 - 03:14 PM

 

The poster originally said "help me make some people understand."

 

That won't work. You can't force your opinion on others.

I know Harry , I was agreeing with you and Jacen ;)



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Posted 30 December 2012 - 03:14 PM

I feel your pain, Kevin. Depending on the particular contest's judging criteria, sometimes an entry with poorly done, non-scale appearing details will get that extra point that beats your super-clean but basically box-stock build.

 

Here's another one for you- sometimes you lose a point if your motor isn't visible, like on a GP bike where it's covered with a fairing. So then you have to decide between going for the points by removing the fairing (which can be a booger) or displaying the bike the way you think it LOOKS the best.

 

It's a meat-grinder out there I tell ya :lol:



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Posted 30 December 2012 - 03:50 PM

Bottom line is, most contests are sponsored by the bigger aftermarket companies and surreptitios points are always awarded to models using the sponsors products. That's just politics.

 

What !?!?!?

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 06:05 PM

 

What !?!?!?

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Ditto, What????????????

 

Gigantic Model Car Contests here in Houston and they are all produced by local  individuals.  That's just they way they are!!!!!

 

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 06:25 PM

A question to ask is: are these megabuck PE users that don't exhibit the basic skills winning anything over better skilled builders?

I was once part of a judging team that moved a kick-arse model from 1st to second place because his driveshaft was missing and the next best model had made sure his basics were covered.

 

The original poster could be told to encourage the object of his derision that he may place better in contests if he executes the basics better in addition to proper addition of aftermarket parts.



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Posted 30 December 2012 - 07:47 PM

Its more like to each there own in my opinion.  Its all in what "the builder" wants to do or build how they choose too.  Hey no harm no foul ya know.



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Posted 30 December 2012 - 08:07 PM

I feel your pain, Kevin. Depending on the particular contest's judging criteria, sometimes an entry with poorly done, non-scale appearing details will get that extra point that beats your super-clean but basically box-stock build.

 

Here's another one for you- sometimes you lose a point if your motor isn't visible, like on a GP bike where it's covered with a fairing. So then you have to decide between going for the points by removing the fairing (which can be a booger) or displaying the bike the way you think it LOOKS the best.

 

It's a meat-grinder out there I tell ya :lol:

One of the reasons I have this 'personal thing' against competing in (or acting as a judge) in contests. :lol:

 

As for helping you understand, Kevin? Can't help you at all there, I've often wondered the same thing. I've seen quite a few well-done models lose to what I'd consider second or third place entries. All I can think of is that judges are humans like anyone else, and maybe the model that wasn't the cleanest build and had maybe too many added bits on it just somehow had a little bit more 'gotcha' factor than the more cleanly-built models with fewer bells and whistles at that particular contest. No idea if I'm correct or not, or how many times that particular scenario may play out, just a thought.