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#21 Johnny

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:30 AM

I was told once by a retired AZ State Trooper that the main reason for the white roof was a broken down or missing school buses yellow color blended in with the desert too good so they painted the roofs white so they would be more easily spotted from the air.

Seemed to make sense to me.

I'd say for reflecting the sun to cut back on heat was more a second thought thing that is now being used to make people think it helps more than it really does. Though it has to help some along with the tinted windows they all seem to be having now.



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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:57 AM

I was told once by a retired AZ State Trooper that the main reason for the white roof was a broken down or missing school buses yellow color blended in with the desert too good so they painted the roofs white so they would be more easily spotted from the air.

Seemed to make sense to me.

I'd say for reflecting the sun to cut back on heat was more a second thought thing that is now being used to make people think it helps more than it really does. Though it has to help some along with the tinted windows they all seem to be having now.

 

 

That's another advantage.  But not the initial concept.  If that was the original idea, school buses in Colorado (and Northern Arizona) would have black roofs!   :o 

 

 

 

 

Chicken and egg.  :huh:



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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:14 PM

When I was in grade school here (in IL.) ours did have black roofs now that you mention that. At that time they were Internationals and the hoods were also black which the drivers blamed for the buses overheating at the beginning of the school year.(August)



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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:48 PM

 

When I was in grade school here (in IL.) ours did have black roofs now that you mention that. At that time they were Internationals and the hoods were also black which the drivers blamed for the buses overheating at the beginning of the school year.(August)

 

 

 

 

 

There you go.

 

 

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:02 PM

Head south...Ga and FL use A/C on busses  and tinted windows, white roofs, and closed windows.

 

White roof and strobe beacon on roof are to locate buses easily

 

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Edited by G Holding, 11 January 2013 - 01:04 PM.


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Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:05 PM

All in all its just a cheaper way to get them out the door.

How do you figure that?  It's still paint.



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Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:13 PM

It's a brand new idea!  B)

 

 

From the New York Times, June 17, 1992:

 

Cooling (and Safety) Trend For Buses: White Tops

Published: June 17, 1992

 

Air conditioning school buses used to mean opening windows, which on a hot day simply let in hot air. Now more and more states and school districts are finding that painting the tops of school buses white makes the ride cooler.

 

The paint job may also make riding on school buses safer.

 

That conclusion was suggested by the response to a recent pilot program in North Carolina in which repainted buses were used. Motorists reported that white-topped, orange-bodied buses were easier to see.

 

As a result of the program, North Carolina will give school systems the option of specifying white tops when ordering new buses, said William Turner, an assistant superintendent for transportation at Brunswick County Schools. Buses with white tops cost a few hundred dollars more than regular buses, manufacturers say.

 

Part of the program involved studying the effect of the white tops on the temperature inside the buses. Digital thermometers were mounted on county school buses and readings were taken four times a day from August to December. The buses were tested while running and while parked.

 

Painting the bus tops white dropped the interior temperature an average of 10 degrees during the summer, with as much as a 17-degree difference at peak hours. Wintertime temperatures were lower by only 3 to 4 degrees.

 

The study also found that children behaved better on buses in cooler temperatures, Mr. Turner said.

 

And drivers preferred the two-toned buses. "It seems like the kids are a lot calmer," said Margaret Hughes, who has driven school buses for more than eight years.

 

Mr. Turner said his office had also received dozens of calls from motorists saying the white tops make the buses easier to see.

 

The Brunswick County program was modeled on similar programs in Florida and California, Mr. Turner said. Atlanta schools have been using the white tops for about four years, said Rick Rose, the president of the Georgia Association for Pupil Transportation. He said about half the buses in the state now have white tops.

 

The idea started in California, which has been using white-topped buses for about 20 years, Mr. Rose said.


Edited by Danno, 11 January 2013 - 01:14 PM.


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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:11 PM

Did you ever notice most two tone cars in the 50's and 60's had white roofs ?  Also, could the white roofs on busses be kinda new because school didn't use to start untill after Labor day, and was out before Memorial day? 



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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:18 PM

Motorists reported that white-topped, orange-bodied buses were easier to see.

 

Seeing as how 99% of the privately-owned vehicles on the road are nowhere near as tall as school buses, I fail to see how a white roof would make the average school bus easier to see by the soccer mom in the Odyssey.

 

And "easier to see?" A bright orange-yellow, 30 foot long bus isn't already pretty easy to spot??? It's the white roof that makes it visible?  :rolleyes:

 

I can buy the "white roof keeps interior cooler" idea, not so much the "oh yeah, NOW I see it. Thanks, white roof" idea...



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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:21 PM

 

Seeing as how 99% of the privately-owned vehicles on the road are nowhere near as tall as school buses, I fail to see how a white roof would make the average school bus easier to see by the soccer mom in the Odyssey.

 

And "easier to see?" A bright orange-yellow, 30 foot long bus isn't already pretty easy to spot??? It's the white roof that makes it visible?  :rolleyes:

 

I can buy the "white roof keeps interior cooler" idea, not so much the "oh yeah, NOW I see it. Thanks, white roof" idea...

 

Aren't we talking about police helicopters here?



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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:26 PM

 

Aren't we talking about police helicopters here?

 

The article said that "motorists reported" that the white roof made the bus easier to see.

 

Without the white roof, a 30 foot long bright yellow bus just gets lost in the scenery...  :lol:



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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:54 PM

 

School buses have heat, I guess they don't have AC.

Uh.............. they do here .



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Posted 11 January 2013 - 03:39 PM

 

Aren't we talking about police helicopters here?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Shhhhhhh!    Black Helicopters ... with no markings ...   

 

 

 

:wacko:  :unsure:  :rolleyes:  :huh:  :blink: 



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Posted 11 January 2013 - 03:55 PM

School bus drivers here in Ontario wish they'd either paint the roof white or install A/C (my mom has been driving them part time for about 10 years now)

 

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 04:27 PM

I've been a school bus mechanic in northern Ohio for 30 + years,  yes the idea was for them to be cooler in the warmer months.    We tried the white roof thing years ago, didn't seem to make any difference.  I suspect in the south where it is warmer for much longer periods of time it might pay off.  On an 80+ degree sunny day those things are like a sauna.   In this area at least few if any busses have AC,  in Ohio school budgets are VERY tight.   AC is viewed as a luxury,  teachers wages & buying books are seen as more important.   Hard to disagree with that.   For the 15 or 20 minutes most kids spend on a bus they can survive.   For the drivers it's a bit rougher, 2-3 hours each morning & afternoon.  As far as the visibility thing you would not believe the number of people over the years that have run into a bus & said with a straight face " I didn't see it ".    Just nuts.


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Posted 11 January 2013 - 04:39 PM

I could of swore some of the school districts here have A/C on there bus's,  I say that because I have seen school bus's during the early summer time here in the valley( May) with the windows up in the afternoon. 



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Posted 11 January 2013 - 04:42 PM

I don't know if they have them now, but the buses I remember riding as a kid in E. Ohio and S. Florida back in the day didn't have A/C....sticky vinyl seats, hot and humid days, windows open...



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Posted 11 January 2013 - 04:46 PM

I don't know if they have them now, but the buses I remember riding as a kid in E. Ohio and S. Florida back in the day didn't have A/C....sticky vinyl seats, hot and humid days, windows open...

Being a kid here in the valley , no heat or A/C on the bus's,  it was either windows up, or down



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Posted 11 January 2013 - 04:48 PM

And as far as I know, no seatbelts in school buses. At least that's how it is here.

 

What's up with that? We don't even let little Johnnie and little Janie ride a freakin' bike without a helmet. So why no seatbelts in school buses?



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Posted 11 January 2013 - 04:50 PM

And as far as I know, no seatbelts in school buses. At least that's how it is here.

 

What's up with that? We don't even let little Johnnie and little Janie ride a freakin' bike without a helmet. So why no seatbelts in school buses?

In the event of an accident who will be cutting 48-72 seatbelts. ;)

 

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