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#21 Greg Myers

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:10 PM

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But what if I don't want it in that place? I think human nature being what it is people will naturally look at the top of the page,board,thread or what ever. With the top subject being "General" what do you expect? I have to agree, sometimes things get buried in other threads down the board. Thus people want them on top where they will get read and receive a response. It's only human nature.

And I don't have a problem with Administrators and Moderators being involved in a thread but seeing them pull rank gets old.


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:11 PM

Since I started this topic I feel I can safely say we got a little off track. No ?  My question was just that, a question. It was not a complaint or critisium of any kind. This forum IMO is the best there is.



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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:23 PM

Since I started this topic I feel I can safely say we got a little off track. No ?  My question was just that, a question. It was not a complaint or critisium of any kind. This forum IMO is the best there is.

 

You're right, Ray. You posted a good question, and I think Harry answered it.



#24 uncle potts

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:40 PM

Gotta love it.  Now both moderators have shown up to jump on me.  

 

 

This is the real difference.  What I have posted as opinion suddenly becomes "complaints".   Nobody asked a moderator to respond at all. The users were having a good exchange until then. Moderators should get involved if there is a board infraction. Not to block the free exchange of ideas.

So........ moderaters aren't allowed to participate unless theres an infraction by one of the members? Aren't they members also? Isn't it fair that they get the same benefits as any other members? Just sayin.......................



#25 plowboy

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:58 PM

 

 

The Spotlight Hobbies board is about the worst style message board there is IMHO, but if you like the circa-1994 setup, who am I to try to change your mind. It's one big mass of posts with no categories at all.

 

If you don't know where to post something, Harry or I are only a PM away.  ;)

 

 

One thing about the Spotlight Board is that to see what's new, you merely have to scroll down the page. You don't have to click on "View New Content" and sift through all of that or go through the thirty three different categories that we have here. When you post a build or a question, you don't have to worry about it being moved to another section of the forum. There is no wrong place for a build,question or whatever there. When I was working on my S/S build, Tom Carter (the owner of the board) was the first in line among others to help me get the details right. That would never happen here. Plus, Tom sells models at great prices! 



#26 Harry P.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:08 PM

 

One thing about the Spotlight Board is that to see what's new, you merely have to scroll down the page. You don't have to click on "View New Content" and sift through all of that or go through the thirty three different categories that we have here. When you post a build or a question, you don't have to worry about it being moved to another section of the forum. There is no wrong place for a build,question or whatever there. When I was working on my S/S build, Tom Carter (the owner of the board) was the first in line among others to help me get the details right. That would never happen here. Plus, Tom sells models at great prices! 

 

It's true that that forum has no categories, no order or organization... it's just every post one after the other, regardless of topic. That's one way to do it.

 

We don't believe in that sort of arrangement here, we do things very differently.

 

Ok, so I have to ask... if that forum is everything you want a forum to be, and this one is not, why are you here?

 

I'm not trying to be a wise guy, I'm seriously asking. There are a lot of model car forums out there. If you like one of the others so well and you don't like this one so much, why are you a member here?



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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:11 PM

So........ moderaters aren't allowed to participate unless theres an infraction by one of the members? Aren't they members also? Isn't it fair that they get the same benefits as any other members? Just sayin.......................

 

Moderators are held to a higher standard than the board posters. Paid or volunteer, they have agreed to represent the board owner and what ever they post is under the badge of "moderator" so it is representing management.  They are free to post as modelers, and I've really enjoyed looking at some of Harry's builds, but they need to keep in mind that what they post reflects on the board owner who has given them authority. 

 

The main reason this board exists is to sell a magazine.  The role of a moderator is to provide a pleasant experience for the board user, ie- the magazine customer.  Tick us off and it reflects poorly on Model Cars and people stop buying the magazine. The goal is just the opposite.



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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:21 PM

 

 

 

Ok, so I have to ask... if that forum is everything you want a forum to be, and this one is not, why are you here?

 

I'm not trying to be a wise guy, I'm seriously asking. There are a lot of model car forums out there. If you like one of the others so well and you don't like this one so much, why are you a member here?

 

This is amazing!  Within the confines of this one thread BOTH moderators have told multiple customers that they should go elsewhere!   It seems you gentlemen are out of line with the main goal of the board. To retain and gain customers for the magazine.



#29 Harry P.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:46 PM

 

This is amazing!  Within the confines of this one thread BOTH moderators have told multiple customers that they should go elsewhere!   It seems you gentlemen are out of line with the main goal of the board. To retain and gain customers for the magazine.

 

I think you need to read my question more carefully. Nowhere did I say he should leave. Heck, I don't want any members to leave. But when someone tells us how much better another forum is, and they complain about this one, isn't it a fair question to ask them why they choose to stay on a forum that they don't like?



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Posted 17 January 2013 - 05:29 PM

Ok, so I have to ask... if that forum is everything you want a forum to be, and this one is not, why are you here?

 

I'm not trying to be a wise guy, I'm seriously asking. There are a lot of model car forums out there. If you like one of the others so well and you don't like this one so much, why are you a member here?

 

Soooo... Harry, Roger says that there are merits to the other board's format and you ask him why are you here?  That's the equivalent to telling him to go elsewhere.   

 

Go back to my post number 11 which seems to have started this entire thing..  everything that I've stated  there is the format of IP Forums, nothing against Model Cars or the moderators.  Simply stated facts / observations / opinion. There is good and bad in each board and format. For instance, the big short coming of the Spotlight board is that all that great information runs off the end and is lost after two weeks. 

 

Both of you guys jumped in to defend little points, that in the grand scheme of the boards true mission, really don't matter at all.  The boards of the hobby shouldn't be in competition but should all compliment each other and work together for the purpose of moving the hobby forward. Quite frankly hobbyists can subscribe to both Model Cars and Scale Auto magazine while buying kits from Spotlight Hobbies, and participate on all three boards. There needn't be any quarrel there.

 

I stand by my comment that the moderators are here to make this a pleasant experience for the customer and not to make it unpleasant by challenging folks and over regulation.  There's no profit in that!



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Posted 17 January 2013 - 05:46 PM

 

Soooo... Harry, Roger says that there are merits to the other board's format and you ask him why are you here?  That's the equivalent to telling him to go elsewhere.   

 

No, that's me asking him a very simple question. If he likes the way another board works, and he dislikes how this one works, then why does he choose to be here?

 

That's a completely logical and pertinent question that has absolutely nothing to do with telling him to leave.



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Posted 17 January 2013 - 06:02 PM

 


 

I stand by my comment that the moderators are here to make this a pleasant experience for the customer and not to make it unpleasant by challenging folks and over regulation.  There's no profit in that!

Tom, I am going to ask you a few questions,  please do not mistake them or what I say as attacking you , I am not in anyway doing that, but first,  you are the one that is challenging  Harry and Casey, not the other way around.

 

Second, do you watch Tv shows you dont like?, eat food you dont like?,  I doubt it, so if you dont like the way MCM is laid out, then why stay?.

 

Third,  I am not sure what other forums you are on, but if so, do you complain about how they are laid out as well?

 

Fourth Spotlight Hobbies forum is a joke, and leaving it at that.

 

Fifth,  Do really except the forum layout to be change because you dont like it?,  I dont like some of it either, but I deal with it, and find the sections I want to read,   the forum can not be laid out to suit everyones wants and desires.  Continuing to complain is just pointless .

 

Again, I am not attacking you, so please dont think I am , but again, I am a trouble maker here so many will think I am,  I am a member on 12 other forums, not all hobby related, three are from the same IP Board software, the rest are all different , all laid out differently , I have learned the layouts, and I move on with my life, liking them or not, its that simple .



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Posted 17 January 2013 - 06:03 PM

 

 

OK, let's say half of the posts in that topic are pure fluff, not adding any real value to any member of this forum. Than still leaves 81 pages of people building, sharing, and inspiring others with their building. I'll gladly take people positively participating in this hobby and forum any day, all day, over the opposite.

But Dr Cranky makes up about half of that himself! :lol:



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Posted 17 January 2013 - 06:12 PM

But Dr Cranky makes up about half of that himself! :lol:

 

One thing you can say about Cranky... he's very enthusiastic!



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Posted 17 January 2013 - 06:13 PM

Harry's question is valid. Maybe it could have been worded differently, but it is very difficult to divine tone or inflection when it's written word rather than spoken face to face. This is why many times I will use caps to emphasize a particular word in hopes that the meaning or inflection is better understood.

"WHY are you here?"

"Why are YOU here?"

"Why ARE you here?"

"Why are you HERE?"

As you can see the meaning changes with the 'tone' of each sentence. But the typeface itself is not the real issue. The fact remains that we have three or four VERY DIFFERENT people with VERY different mindsets, trying to ride herd over several hundred people at any given time, all with THIER own mindsets. I don't know the artist or the song, but there's a song out there that goes "you can't please everyone soya, got to please yourself". Most of the moderation team are not out to please everyone OR themselves. They are however attempting to please the majority. An insurmountable task if there ever was one.

 

No matter what goes on there are going to be those who feel they are being slighted in favor of others and lets be honest here...NOONE likes to be slighted. There have been many, MANY times I have been unhappy with the moderation team and actually took my leave of this place for an extended period because of certain so called "moderation". I DO NOT agree for one moment with one particular moderator, while at the same time there's another mod that I almost always agree with. Is it a "personality clash?" Maybe so. There's another mod yet, that I have had no problem with, and honestly no interaction whatsoever!

 

Bottom line is, the moderation team here could use a little tempering. They need to STOP and THINK before typing in, every bit as much as those of us on the other side of it are expected to.

 

Harry- You know already that Jacen and myself hold you in fairly high regard. However, maybe your question could have been posed in as calm a 'tone' as the rest of your post. In cases where the bulk of the typeface is in bold such as mine is here, the caps emphasise a word without giving the feeling that yelling is taking place. In a situation such as yours where 99% of the typeface is standard, but the question of "why are you here?" is in bold, it gives the impression you are shouting or angry. Thus is the spark that ignites the tinder already in place.

 

I also feel that as well as presenting themselves more diplomatically, the moderation team could take the time to explain themselves more. Again, without calling out any names, it has been my experience that some mebers of the team will take the time to contact members and let them know WHY a post was moved/deleted/edited. Is this a pain in the proverbial posterior? Sure. Does it diminish the amount of time they have to enjoy,relax and post in topics they enjoy? Sure it does. However...that goes with the territory. It's a job like any other and if you don't enjoy it or don't want to do it because you can no longer enjoy the site as a member does...then quit and let someone else mod.

 

I sincerely hope this makes sense to as many as possible, and that the thread wasn't locked during this long rant because I will truly be upset at the wasted typing! :lol: 



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Posted 17 January 2013 - 06:19 PM

Harry- You know already that Jacen and myself hold you in fairly high regard. However, maybe your question could have been posed in as calm a 'tone' as the rest of your post. In cases where the bulk of the typeface is in bold such as mine is here, the caps emphasise a word without giving the feeling that yelling is taking place. In a situation such as yours where 99% of the typeface is standard, but the question of "why are you here?" is in bold, it gives the impression you are shouting or angry. Thus is the spark that ignites the tinder already in place.

 

Good point.

 

I wasn't "shouting" or angry... just curious. But I see what you mean about the tone of a written post being misunderstood. I've always tried to be careful about that... trying to word my posts so there can't be any misunderstanding of intent. But it doesn't always work. It's something we all (me included) need to keep in mind.



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Posted 17 January 2013 - 06:36 PM

I tend to post in the thread that seems most appropriate. If it's a 1/16th scale dragster...I say it can go to either thread, but dragster (in my mind anyway...and it's fragile so let's not mess with it! :lol: ) is where I would post a drag kit no matter the scal because to me that overrides the big boy. If it's the Super Charger kit by MPC, even though it has drag elements I would put that in Big Boys. It's a slippery sucker ain't it? :huh: 



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Posted 17 January 2013 - 06:43 PM

I believe that guys only go to some of them and if you post in others, your post is overlooked.

 

That's sort of the purpose - it allows one to look at those things he's interested in and not waste time on the ones he isn't.

 

I would personally prefer more categories to fewer.



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Posted 17 January 2013 - 07:07 PM

 


 

Ok, so I have to ask... if that forum is everything you want a forum to be, and this one is not, why are you here?

 

 

That forum isn't everything I want a forum to be. But, neither is this one. I was just saying that that forum has it's good points and good people just like this forum. When I first visited there, I didn't like it very much. But, after I got used to it, I began to like it and started posting finished builds/projects there. Spotlight isn't organized. No one could deny that. But, this forum is overly organized and way too busy. That's the major problem with people posting in the "wrong" sections.

 

A perfect example is when you posted your 1910 double decker bus in the "Pickups,Vans, SUVs and Light Commercial" section. To you, you felt it belonged there even though a double decker bus isn't considered light commercial by any standard. Most people here post their builds/topics where they think they belong. But, the difference is that you can move their posts/builds where you think they belong,but no one can move your posts/builds where they think they belong. It's like "do as I say, not as I do". The day I feel I need to PM you before I post a topic will be the day I ask Gregg to delete my membership for good and you'll never have to ask that question again.



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Posted 17 January 2013 - 07:18 PM

This forum is "overly organized?"

 

The whole point of being organized and having specific categories is to make it easier for members. Easier to find the things you're interested in, and easier to avoid the things you're not interested in.

 

If, for example, you have no interests in model trucks, you can completely ignore that section. Or if you like to read about other peoples tricks and tutorials, you know exactly where to find them.

 

I don't see how an organized forum is a problem. But apparently you do. To each his own.