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#21 62rebel

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:21 PM

anybody building a Model A Ford should be able to find millions of reference photos in Google Images alone... there's also the Model A Club that has a plethora of detailed photos and reference guides for colors, how the color combinations were put together, and what the interior looked like. 

all of Revell's Model A Fords shared basic engineering and the wheels/tires from any one kit will work on another. AMT's '29 roadster and MPC's '29 Pickup/woodie CAN be kitbashed with Revell parts but there are kit-engineering differences in the way both companies approached problems.

 

Revell's chromed multi-piece front suspension can be a PITA to assemble but it is WELL worth the effort in the result.

 

my only gripe with Revell is that they NEVER gave the builder an optional V8 for the A.... by 1962, when this kit was issued, not many banger 4's were still IN Model A's! of course, deciding which of many different V8's to include probably proved more than they wanted to handle!



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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:30 AM

 

my only gripe with Revell is that they NEVER gave the builder an optional V8 for the A.... by 1962, when this kit was issued, not many banger 4's were still IN Model A's! of course, deciding which of many different V8's to include probably proved more than they wanted to handle!

 

Putting a V8, even a flathead Ford, in a Model A requires firewall and frame modifications, both in 1:1 and in scale. It's easy enough to do in 1:1, and easy enough to swap anything into it in scale. BUT, to offer an "optional V8" in the kit and have it just slip right in would have required tooling modifications. Probably as long as the kits were selling, there wasn't any particular incentive to make tooling changes. And the kits MUST have been selling, or there wouldn't be so many available on the auction sites.



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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:59 AM

To clarify, I don't mean the exact ones in that photo - is it that type of Halibrand mags?  If not, what type is it?

 

 

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http://www.jalopyjou...12153&showall=1



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Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:38 AM

To clarify, I don't mean the exact ones in that photo - is it that type of Halibrand mags?  If not, what type is it?

 

They do look a lot like the Halibrands made for Studebaker ca.62-63, but those had knock-offs, the kit wheels are regular bolt-ons. I think the Stude wheels had functional knock-offs, but i could be wrong about that. 

 

I've also seen some references made to the kit's wheels as Raders, but I can't find any Raders (or Radirs) that look anything like that.   

 

The only 1:1 wheel I know of they look anything like would be those Studebaker wheels. 



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Posted 20 February 2013 - 06:05 AM

To clarify, I don't mean the exact ones in that photo - is it that type of Halibrand mags?  If not, what type is it?

They are quite similar to a U.S. Mags design using raised-side-rib spokes with flat centers, still offered.....

 

http://www.carid.com...hed-452424.html

 

 

And also some vintage Hurst wheels...

 

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But most probably represent the Halibrand design made for a Studebaker option, though the Stude had a 5 on 4.4" bolt pattern and the A had 5 on 5.5"...

 

Halibrand-Studebaker.jpg

 

HalibrandWheels-1.jpg

 

...offered separately....

 

halibrandstudebaker_zpsbd03b51c.jpg


Edited by Ace-Garageguy, 20 February 2013 - 06:34 AM.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 06:28 AM

Cheers!  Btw, did all the recent releases of the '31 A have these, and were these same optional wheels that come with the '29 A pickup?



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Posted 20 February 2013 - 06:47 AM

A-ha, the Studes are bolt on!  I'd say they are the Stude/Halibrand wheels without the knock offs, then - given that the time-frame of the release of the kit and the wheels are pretty much right around the same time (early 60's). 



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Posted 20 February 2013 - 07:01 AM

Cheers!  Btw, did all the recent releases of the '31 A have these, and were these same optional wheels that come with the '29 A pickup?

No the '29 has the same rather blah 5 spoke Americans it's always had.  They make decent fronts for gassers, very little offset.  They look decent stripped and painted like unpolished mags.  They've got a few sink marks and waviness in them that show up pretty bad in chrome.  I think the Modelhaus offers a copy of original issue wheels that don't suffer from the waves and sink marks.  I think they call them 0 offset 5-spokes in their catalog. 

 

I think all the recent '31's have had those mags, but not all will work with the newer tooling big and little white-wall "rat-rod" tire set.  At least one issue had a different front tire to use with the mags. I think they had to modify the front wheels' diameter a little and modify the wheel backs.  They did something to them, now they're a straight drop-fit, other issues you had to do a little grinding and modifying to get them to work with the rat rod issue tires.         


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Posted 21 February 2013 - 04:39 AM

I think all the recent '31's have had those mags, but not all will work with the newer tooling big and little white-wall "rat-rod" tire set.  At least one issue had a different front tire to use with the mags. I think they had to modify the front wheels' diameter a little and modify the wheel backs.  They did something to them, now they're a straight drop-fit, other issues you had to do a little grinding and modifying to get them to work with the rat rod issue tires.         

 

Cheers for the info - very much appreciated!  I'm still slightly confused though as the instructions on Revell's website for the latest version show the different front tyres (& thus without whitewalls) which is strange if they've updated the kit so that the mags fit the whitewalls, or are the other (smaller) tyres supplied purely to change the front ride height for that building option?



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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:31 AM

You know what, I'm wrong, they didn't change them on the 31, just the 29 pickup.  Sorry!  I could have sworn the one box top model had whitewalls with the mags, but looking at it again it's got the small radials up front.  The front mags in the 31 are quite a bit smaller than the rears, looks like they'd fall right through the whitewalls.  Maybe with 2 pairs of rears you could make something work. Sorry again, I was wrong.   



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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:34 AM

No worries at all, and many thanks for clarifying :)