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#1 chevyfever2009

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 12:39 AM

As to one of the other memebers comments on another topic which is now locked i have to express something as a Newer member if no one wants to trade with newer members how are we suppose to earn trust and what makes you not rip off a newer member i known this to happen i have a friend on this site as well and he sent a memeber been on here for awhile money for postage for some parts and the member never sent them . So it doesnt matter if your new or been here ten years theres always that chance you can get ripped off by anyone if thers new or a member for awhile . As my grand father always said you have to trust people intill they lose that trust you give them to start with

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 12:59 AM

As to one of the other memebers comments on another topic which is now locked i have to express something as a Newer member if no one wants to trade with newer members how are we suppose to earn trust and what makes you not rip off a newer member i known this to happen i have a friend on this site as well and he sent a memeber been on here for awhile money for postage for some parts and the member never sent them . So it doesnt matter if your new or been here ten years theres always that chance you can get ripped off by anyone if thers new or a member for awhile . As my grand father always said you have to trust people intill they lose that trust you give them to start with

I agree with you,and your Grandfather was right about what he said.

You have to trust once then when its broken it never gets built back up with the person that ripped you off.

I always have second thoughts when trading with some one.

New member or not,however I have only been ripped off one time and I can't let one sorry person be the reason that I don't trust others.



#3 James2

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 01:04 AM

Trust may be given, but it best when earned. I have been burned by untrustworthy people, the trust I gave them was my own. 

It is always better to do business with those you know. IMO



#4 chevyfever2009

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 01:50 AM

Trust may be given, but it best when earned. I have been burned by untrustworthy people, the trust I gave them was my own. 
It is always better to do business with those you know. IMO


But has is it earned if nobody wants to trade with newer members because they dont trust them in the same sense as a newer member how do we know we can trust you or the person where trading with so it goes back to you have to give some kind of trust to do trades with people otherwise we all will be sittin here spinning our wheels

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:46 AM

Brad,

 

You are right in that trust is earned but it also requires patience to earn it. I have been here a long time, among the first 100 or so members of this forum, but if we haven't traded before, you and I have to decide if we want to trade, this earning each other's "trust". Many members here, myself included, have seen people come on here and start asking for trades and free stuff from day one, and in my humble opinion, that is not how you build trust. We all have needs and wants, but to come on here and expect others to trust you on day one is asking a lot. Factor in the cost of trading and it isn't a kit I paid $10 for 12 years ago, it is the time and expense of going to the post office on top of the $10 and THAT is why I hesitate to trade most of the time.

 

Hang in there, you sound like a younger member and in due time you will see more and learn more here. Be patient and you will reap the benefits, not just here but in life in general.



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:08 AM

I think the best way to show some of these guys that you are serious about trading is to stick on here for about a month or so and get involved in the community,build up your post count,make some friends, start with simple trades like wheels for wheels or something like that,then once the simple trades are complete polity ask the other trader to post you in the good trader thread.



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:22 AM

I have to agree with Austin, gIve it some time....



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 05:07 AM

IT is always a calculated risk when you trade with someone new,I have been fortunate to get some great kits on trade here and there has never been a problem.



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 05:15 AM

I haven't been on here long, but I've already had a good trade for a full kit and sent someone else parts.  I've had good luck so far.  :)



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 05:27 AM

if no one wants to trade with newer members how are we suppose to earn trust

 

First, don't assume people DON'T want to trade with others because they are newer members, but also understand that some may be a bit skeptical when newer members frequent the Trade and Wanted sections after being here a very short period of time.

 

 So it doesnt matter if your new or been here ten years theres always that chance you can get ripped off by anyone if thers new or a member for awhile . As my grand father always said you have to trust people intill they lose that trust you give them to start with

 

Yes, "old" members have ripped their fellow members off, too, so it's not exclusive to "new" members.

 

You can't make someone trust you, so you have to try to earn it, maybe by offering to send your half of the trade first. Once the trading partner receives his/her half of the trade s/he can ship your package without worry.



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 06:21 AM

Over at the replica prop forum it's not so much a question of trust, but a question of community. They have a minimum post count and time as a member before you can trade. They don't want hucksters joining just to "get" something then split. They want members who contribute to the overall participation. Otherwise it's just grab and go with no accountability, no sharing and no benefit to the other members.


Edited by Lunajammer, 26 February 2013 - 06:22 AM.


#12 chevyfever2009

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 06:24 AM

But the one thing i wanna point out is that i have found a few people that will trade with a newer person kit for kit or watever else.I told them when ill ship them and with the kits i give them a tracking number for them to see here there kit is . I have bought many items on what you all call evilbay and i had a seller going out of town the day i bought but didnt pay for not so cheap lot of models ,but he sent them out before i paid for them trusting me i would pay for them wich i did. So i wouldnt have to wait for them until he got back to send them out. ive been doing this hobby since i was 6/7 off and on so im not new to the game ive been in the hobbie a while.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 06:26 AM

I'm not sure what the point you are trying to make is... I don't think the community here has a "trust issue" when it comes to trading with newer members. I am a newer member and I have by now completed a few trades without any problems whatsoever. I also received parts for free and sent stuff without asking for anything in return... All according to agreement.



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 06:58 AM

[quote name="Casey" post="886740" time="1361892429"] 
First, don't assume people DON'T want to trade with others because they are newer members, but also understand that some may be a bit skeptical when newer members frequent the Trade and Wanted sections after being here a very short period of time.
 

 
Yes, "old" members have ripped their fellow members off, too, so it's not exclusive to "new" members.
 

As members dont you want the new members to get involed in the site and I posted this because it really bothered me when another member said they wouldnt trade with newer members i have found some great members to trade with have a few trades underway.
Now as my gma always use to tell me is if something is bothering u or offended you voice it out so people now that what they said bothered you.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 07:05 AM

just some advice here...i was ripped off on some parts recntly...member was far from "new"...so yea it is silly...chevyfever here has bought a few items locally, he even takes it an pays later and has not once never payed when he said...

 

so it is a risk ive learned...i wait until i get a tracking number showing its sent, or i recive the parts if ive never dealt with one...



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:40 AM

I haven't done any trades on the board, mainly because I haven't needed anything. I've been at the hobby a long time, so I have most everything that is common. I'd be more looking for things I'd rather see first.

 

Postage has gotten expensive as the rates keep going up. I remember when Priority Mail was $3.95 for up to 2 pounds!  

 

I'm more like if a friend needs a part I have, I just send it to them!  Especially if it's something they need to get a model done.



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:06 AM

But has is it earned if nobody wants to trade with newer members because they dont trust them in the same sense as a newer member how do we know we can trust you or the person where trading with so it goes back to you have to give some kind of trust to do trades with people otherwise we all will be sittin here spinning our wheels

 

The best way to gain trust is to develop a relationship. Whether it is in person or on-line does not matter. It is just as we are doing here, having a conversation. I have already learned your grandparents are pretty good people!

Let's not forget swap meets are a great place to fing those items we are looking for.



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:52 AM

They want members who contribute to the overall participation. Otherwise it's just grab and go with no accountability, no sharing and no benefit to the other members.

 

While I won't speak for Gregg, I think that's the same reason this forum exists, and why I often repeat my opinion that the Trade and Wanted sections are "bonuses" here on the forum, and shouldn't be the main and/or only reason for coming here.

 

Brad, what you suggested earlier, sending your part of the trade first is actually the best strategy, and it's been proven that the "all A" method works best, where all parties trust and cooperate with each other, because all parties benefit. See, I did learn something in Philosophy 101.  :D  Don't take it personally if someone doesn't want to trade with you, though, as there may be something better coming next.  ;)

 

Harry and I discussed the "minimum number of posts in order to post in the Trade/Wanted section", but we both agreed not only does that discriminate against new members, but it does nothing to keep older members from being dishonest, either. As stated in the Trading Guidelines, it's all about trust and accepting the risk.



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 12:08 PM

 

...i was ripped off on some parts recntly...member was far from "new"...


 
Yep, me too, and I've been here awhile. Well...I won't say I've been burned yet, but the lack of communication from the other party (an established member) makes me assume so.
I don't really have a problem trading with newer members, everybody has to start somewhere, but I never trade more than I can afford to lose in any case.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:30 PM

I think the best way to show some of these guys that you are serious about trading is to stick on here for about a month or so and get involved in the community,build up your post count,make some friends, start with simple trades like wheels for wheels or something like that,then once the simple trades are complete polity ask the other trader to post you in the good trader thread.


Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. This is exactly how internet trading on a forum should be done. Not a just joined member wanting to trade high dollar kits.