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[Greg Myers]

With the similarity in main body, chassis and maybe a few other parts, I think the model company's could russell us up a few Tri Five BOP's (Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac)

Edited by Greg Myers, 27 February 2013 - 05:43 AM.

[Art Anderson]

Are you suggesting a series using common parts?  If so, not much way that can happen and be accurate:  3 different body shells due to styling differences, 3 different chassis, 3 different engines, two different chassis (Olds and Pontiac used Hydramatics, but the Buick used Dynaflow), not to mention interiors.

 

This is quite unlike the Tri-Five Chevrolet thing--where the engines of the '55 and 56 are virtually identical (the '57 could be, IF modelers had been OK with a baseline 265cid instead of the newly introduced 283 for 1957), one common chassis, two dashboards, three sets of interior parts, two sets of hubcaps/wheel covers, and a very universal popularity.

 

For any of the BOP's to have some success, the car(s) selected would need to have at least 1 or 2 variants that could generate popularity and sales beyond the fairly obvious hardtop subject,

 

Not to say that none of these wouldn't be most interesting, of course!

 

Art

[Eshaver]

With the similarity in main body, chassis and maybe a few other parts, I think the model company's could russell us up a few Tri Five BOP's (Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac)

 

 

 

Greg, I'd be happy with ANY of the Buicks , Oldsmobile's or Cadillac's !

[2002p51]

There are other differences too. On the 55 - 57 Chevys, the roof line of the hardtops, convertibles, and Nomad was 1-1/2 inches lower than the sedans. So even though that's not very noticeable, the windshield, rear window, and vent windows don't swap.

 

As far as the other GM cars, the only parts that Chevy shared with any of them was with Pontiac. The roof stamping, all the glass, the doors and the deck lid where the same. Model for model, of course.

[Greg Myers]

This is quite unlike the Tri-Five Chevrolet thing--where the engines of the '55 and 56 are virtually identical (the '57 could be, IF modelers had been OK with a baseline 265cid instead of the newly introduced 283 for 1957)

Where do you come up with this kind of stuff?

Edited by Greg Myers, 27 February 2013 - 06:06 AM.

[Ace-Garageguy]

Where do you come up with this kind of stuff?

 

 

Years in the business, access to resources like Mitchell's crash-books from the period (which bodyshops would have used for estimating, and ordering the correct collision-repair parts), or Hollander Interchange manuals (which exist to allow one to determine which parts from one make within a corporate environment will interchange with those of another make).

Edited by Ace-Garageguy, 27 February 2013 - 06:10 AM.

[Greg Myers]

 

 

Years in the business, access to resources like Mitchell's crash-books from the period (which bodyshops would have used for estimating, and ordering the correct collision-repair parts), or Hollander Interchange manuals (which exist to allow one to determine which parts from one make within a corporate environment will interchange with those of another make).

 

IF modelers had been OK with a baseline 265cid instead of the newly introduced 283 for 1957)

[Greg Myers]

 

I see 3

[Ace-Garageguy]

 

I see 3

 

   Still, the truth is that you couldn't build any sort of accurate renditions of the BOPs of the period without taking the body-shell and frame differences into consideration. Again, how much sliding-away from scale-correct would be acceptable, when there were over 600 posts on the Rat Roaster, many lamenting Revell's deviation from accuracy ?

Edited by Ace-Garageguy, 27 February 2013 - 06:26 AM.

[Rob Hall]

There are a few choices in resin, but I'd love to see some full detail kits of cars like the '57 Buick Century 2dr ht or '57 Olds 88 2dr ht....great looking cars, IMO.

[Scale-Master]

There are other differences too. On the 55 - 57 Chevys, the roof line of the hardtops, convertibles, and Nomad was 1-1/2 inches lower than the sedans. So even though that's not very noticeable, the windshield, rear window, and vent windows don't swap.

 

As far as the other GM cars, the only parts that Chevy shared with any of them was with Pontiac. The roof stamping, all the glass, the doors and the deck lid where the same. Model for model, of course.

And the mechanicals of the Pontiacs (at least the '56 I know of) were not the same as the Chevy. Not just the engine either.

[TooOld]

Greg ,  I partially agree with you but I don't think the model companies would do this for reasons already stated .  But with what's available in resin and some kit bashing we can build it ourselves .   No ,  it won't be 100 % correct under the skin but I don't think any build like this is  .  I'm in the middle of such a build now ,  and while I'd like to be as accurate as possible ,  I know it's not .

   I agree with those you want a "kit" to be accurate but in this case :  " If it walks like a duck . . ."

[pharoah]

I would love to see a really nice 55 Pontiac.  Sorry Jo Han..

[Casey]

We need '55 and '57 Nomads, and a '56 Bel Air Hardtop from Revell before we even think about some BOPs. 

[Greg Myers]

I guess that's my point. I'm amazed here at all the gnashing of teeth not unlike what went on with the Rat Roaster '32. Jeez there ain't even a kit  yet. Just an idea for a new direction. OK, we need a '57 Chevy convertible in 1/25th scale, but how about something fresh and new (different)?  The Revell '50 Olds is a step in the right direction.

 

[Casey]

how about something fresh and new (different)?  The Revell '50 Olds is a step in the right direction.

 

 

Fresh is good, and different can also be good, depending upon the subject, but they need to sell, too. The '50 Olds has the early NASACAR overlap like the Moebius Hudsons and '55 Chrysler 300 kits did, but do mid '50s Oldsmobiles, Buicks and Pontiacs have the same multiple marketing avenues to drive sales? There may be an Indy Pace Car version among them, as seen in the original issue of the '55 Bel Air convertible, but that "second" option doesn't seem to increase sales much.

[mnwildpunk]

Impo of the 55-57 GM cars chevy was the dog of the group. I know I'll catch a lot of flack for saying that but that is why it's my opinion and not yours. I would much rather see a 57 pontiac chieftian or a 55 buick or an oldsmobubble model then yet another tri-five chev

[Rob Hall]

The Tri-Fives have been done to death, like 32 Fords, but they always sell well.   I'd love to see more variety...

[Casey]

A '55 Pontiac...a face only a Mother could love: 

 

 

Now, I like some of the styling details on the above car, like the side trim/color split and rear quarter panel shapes, but the headlight eyebrows, trim strips running the length of the hood, and the baleen looking "mouth" aren't all that attractive to me, especially in light of the '55 Chevy's simplicity up front.

 

The '57 Pontiac's face is even busier, and the dagmars seem excessive and ostentatious compared to the '57 Chevy's:

 

 

 

I think the Tri-Five Chevies are the most popular because style wise, they look the best and are the most appealing to the eye, but as we know, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. 

[Custom Hearse]

Impo of the 55-57 GM cars chevy was the dog of the group. I know I'll catch a lot of flack for saying that but that is why it's my opinion and not yours. I would much rather see a 57 pontiac chieftian or a 55 buick or an oldsmobubble model then yet another tri-five chev

Ya wanna borrow my "Flack Jacket"?

 

I wholeheartedly agree with you. I would like to see something other than a Tri-5 Chevy. A person can only build a 57 Chevy so many times.